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iamthatis4536 t1_jddge9o wrote

I didn’t get past the paywall, so pretty much just a comment on reading in general.

This is how it works at my house. The school library will only let kids check out books from “their” grade level. None of my kids read at the level expected for their grade, they either fall above or below it. Our public library opens after they leave for school and closes before they get home. If you can get all the stars to align, all the extra-curriculars cancel everything, and you can make it during the 2 hours they are open on Saturday, they don’t have anything on the page long list of books you are looking for. If you download the Libby app, the list of books for kids is pretty slim in our library system and the wait times are long.

So then you are stuck buying the books. And there’s only so much time, money, and space in your house.

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VisualGeologist6258 t1_jde0sg6 wrote

What kind of lunatic restricts kids to reading at their grade level? I’d not only support but actively encourage reading above one’s own grade level. Not giving kids anything challenging or stimulating to read is how they end up not wanting to read at all.

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdeb1w6 wrote

It’s surprisingly common just because they don’t think kindergartners can actually read books like Percy Jackson on their own. I just wish there was a little more wiggle room.

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walrussss t1_jdf49mb wrote

Surprisingly common? I’m a third grade teacher and have never heard of this happening. Teachers do extensive training to identify reading levels and then you are supposed to have kids read slightly above their level if possible unless instructing something specific (like sentence structure or non fiction text elements). The only time a library would do this is if a student wants to read something that may be too mature. Then the teacher or librarian will probably double check with a parent or talk to the student about it. We do use various leveled systems so that kids can find ‘just right’ books on their own but you are never supposed to discourage a child from wanting to read something above grade level.

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CuriousHaven t1_jdfq0lz wrote

Yeah, this is pretty common. I used to work for a major K12 vendor (in over 1/3 of all schools in the US) and I heard about this practice all the time from different customers (e.g., schools and districts). Sometimes it's locked by grade level (concern about kids reading material with themes that are "too mature") and sometimes it's locked by reading level (poor understanding of how leveled reading works). It shouldn't be implemented this way, but that doesn't stop plenty of schools from doing exactly that.

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdfqbkb wrote

I think you are in an area with a lot more resources. We are a title 1 school and I’m pretty sure a lot of the parents aren’t actually literate.

My school in a different state was like then when I was growing up. I actually “failed” reading because I read everything in the library and they didn’t have anything else. Reading at home didn’t count. My spouse went to several schools in multiple states and they all had rules about which books you could check out when.

I’m actually surprised this is so surprising to so many people. These smaller school districts just don’t have the resources to keep track of which kid is reading at which level.

To be very fair to our staff, I have one child who is way, way above their expected reading level and the staff occasionally helps them “sneak” books. They are doing the best they can, and I’m in a situation to supplement reading at home.

But in all the areas I’ve lived in, there have been massive hoops to get through with reading. These are our current struggles, but some have been kind of insurmountable. I had one library that kept charging us for ruining books we had never even laid eyes on. Like we wouldn’t go for a month and get a fine for ruining a kids book when we didn’t have kids. Mostly I just wanted to highlight that sometimes just getting something to read can be really hard.

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janellthegreat t1_jdhomc0 wrote

Related to limited resources, a second-hand story. A friend had a high school daughter who was graded on how much her reading level improved each semester. The daughter was a great reader, yet was at threat of receiving a failing grade. The friend had to go in and and demonstrate that the entire darn school library only had -three- books above her daughter's reading level, so how did they expect her to improve when there was nothing challenging left to read?

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdhv4m9 wrote

I had a friend whose kids’ typing teacher only graded on improvement. So she had her kids bomb the test at the beginning of the term, then each week count the words, draw a line where it was one more word than the week before, then stop typing when they got there. All her kids passed with flying colors. That’s exactly how I would have handled the reading. My kid would be reading at a kindergarten level at the beginning…

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Hour_Squirrel_4914 t1_jdhf495 wrote

My sister was an incredible reader and had a fourth grade teacher who did this. My mom pestered him asking if her reading level could be tested so that she could check out books that were more challenging. He finally agreed and she tested at 12th grade level.

His argument then became, "Just because she can understand the text, doesn't mean she can understand the theme. So, she needs to stick to the fourth grade reading level."

No compromise. No flexibility. No interest.

You can guess how many books she borrowed from the library that year.

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Historical_Spring800 t1_jdmkbta wrote

I have come across this with school librarians for years at my kids’ elementary school. We took our kids reading into our own hands. I read a ton as a kid so was able to direct them toward my old favorites depending on the kid and their interests and they now find their own books. Everyone gets new books at birthdays and Christmas such as a fancy illustrated Harry Potter for the youngest or a Steven King series for the oldest. My second grader reads at a 6th grade level and tests in the 99th percentile consistently on standardized tests. His teacher still put him in a mediocre reading group because she wasn’t satisfied with his “decoding” skills. My older kids were also forbidden to read beyond a certain level during elementary school but still tested into the gifted classes and thrived in them. I think elementary teachers can only do so much when they have more kids reading below grade level so it is our responsibility as parents to do what we can at home.

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278urmombiggay t1_jdevh73 wrote

At one point in my elementary education we were restricted by reading levels and could only read a higher level after we took some test that showed comprehension of what we read. I'm sure someone remembers the name for this but I don't. Long story short, I read a book that was at one of the highest levels and passed the test and after that my teacher kind of shrugged and said I could read whatever I want. Limiting students is useless, especially when they're so young and their sponges are like brains.

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Beamarchionesse t1_jdf0a38 wrote

For some reason "AR" is ringing a bell in my head, but I can't remember what it stood for. [Searches] Accelerated Reader?

Reading was the skill that came easiest to me. This unfortunately ended badly. Because in the 4th grade I was testing for a 9th grade reading level. That meant I wasn't allowed to use any books below that grade level for my assigned books. Since the elementary school was a little short on books that advanced, I got stuck with dreck like The Yearling. Do you have any idea how boring The Yearling is for a nine year old?

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Projectsun t1_jdff4ju wrote

Oh wow ! What a flashback. I remember AR ! I feel on the spines, there would be a grade or something. I also learned quite early ( my mom read to me from a young age and I wanted to do it on my own during insomnia bouts) but i do not feel we weren’t allowed to read above. And if the school restricted me, my parents never would. I remember vividly , Sorcerer’s Stone being my first large chapter book , getting it right when it came out.

After absorbing the Roald Dahls and such. I think a key part missing, and there are studies to back this, is parents reading to the child from 0-3.

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Beamarchionesse t1_jdfhj5a wrote

I got lucky in that respect, I think. For reasons, my grandmother paid for me to go to Catholic school. There was a nursery attached, and from 8 weeks old on, I was with the nuns from 7am to 6pm, Mon-Fri. They read to us. A lot. They also made us copy pages of the encyclopedia or the Bible anytime we misbehaved.

...I had an excellent vocabulary by the time I was seven. I had also developed a deep love of reading. Nuns are perhaps not the best judges of what children should be allowed to read. They let me go through their library and pick whatever I wanted. The school went up to eighth grade, so there I was, eight years old and trying to read The Count of Monte Cristo. [I needed Sister Barbara to explain a lot of it to me, but she was usually doing needlepoint and actually never seemed to mind.] [TBF I did not grasp the book until I was older, I just thought it was super cool that he escaped from prison and went on a Quest for Revenge]

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Projectsun t1_jdfxd99 wrote

My parents are just avid readers ( tbf my dad is also a writer ) so I think they just naturally started us early. I was a bored child so my mom just kind of homeschooled me before K and it made it hard to get me in the right class after.

However, they did the same with my younger brother , only 2 years younger , and he is definitely not the same type of reader. He went full on comic / graphic route which makes sense ! I think the underlying solution is freedom Of thought and expression. Let kids enjoy and experience new things and they will continue that later :)

Now, I yearn for that free reading time of youth. I have to divide so much now, and decide where to put it

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Beamarchionesse t1_jdj09lr wrote

Yeah, I don't like when people get judgy about what kind of books people like. Lots of fiction is written for entertainment. I don't like Scorcese movies [they're always depressing]. It doesn't mean they're not good or that I'm dumb. People who read Tom Clancy and John Grisham books just want a fun spy thriller/government intrigue book. People who like graphic novels like the combination of art and story. People who like Colleen Hoover probably would have been the same people reading the novels that Catherine Moreland of Northanger Abbey loved so much in 1812.

I might not like everything, but what do I know, I love a good fairy tale retelling or a Sarah Dessen book as much as the next girl.

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Projectsun t1_jdj4p05 wrote

Exactly! But I think the base understanding is that entrainment / etc is opinion based. Then it opens up much more. Still seems to come down to: let people enjoy what they want if it’s not hurting anything :)

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VisualGeologist6258 t1_jdezf28 wrote

I don’t think I ever had reading level restrictions growing up, but at home I read a lot of Jules Verne and HG Wells. Obviously all the symbolic and thematic content flew over my head, but I don’t remember ever having a problem actually reading it.

Kids will read just about anything if it piques their interest enough. I’m especially fond of the Canterbury Classics series, which compiles authors like the ones mentioned above into user-friendly and easy-to-read omnibuses. I read Verne and Wells through them and just last year I found one for Robert Louis Stevenson, who is another favourite.

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vivahermione t1_jdfb645 wrote

>Obviously all the symbolic and thematic content flew over my head, but I don’t remember ever having a problem actually reading it.

And that's OK, because after that first pass, you probably understood it better the next time you encountered it.

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janellthegreat t1_jdhp8gz wrote

I have a student who, putting it mildly, was a reluctant reader. I started asking if he might be dyslexic from kinder- and I kept being told, "no, I am trained in reading intervention, he is with age-typical ranges." It is not until he was at threat of failing the state test did they screen him. Yup, mildly dyslexic. One year of intensive intervention with a fantastic educator, and now I can't get books out of that kids hands. Some of his favorite to read are processional references for computer programmers. I doubt he has full reading comprehension, but loves it. And that is all I care about. Does he love what he is reading? Great, read.

And then we ignore the homework that says, "after your 20 min at home read time, write about how the setting influences the story."

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Sea-Box-8736 t1_jdf227c wrote

Was it the DRA reading level tests or something like that? I remember having to do something similar in first grade.

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brownbagporno t1_jddieot wrote

Didn't the Brooklyn Public Library make their whole digital catalog available to all people in USA? Or at least all kids in USA?

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iamthatis4536 t1_jddvzvs wrote

I would really like more info on this if anyone has it.

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TheAirNomad11 t1_jde01zc wrote

I tried googling it and it looks like they stopped doing that last year. I could be wrong though

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdeaw6i wrote

I’ve been kind of keeping an eye out and all the big libraries that have done something similar have had restrictions on the deal that weren’t initially reported. I don’t remember all of them, but an example would be the New York Library had a headline about it that anyone could check out books, but when you read the fine print it was only certain banned books on their list. Lots of stuff like that.

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Projectsun t1_jdffc43 wrote

If not them, find the largest library district closest to you. Most allow you to still get a card , outside of your town. The larger they are , better funding, better digital catalog. Or ask the local librarian when you have time , I asked for a tour last year, the amount of resources available was shocking.

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdfowb7 wrote

Let’s assume I really live in the middle of nowhere haha. The “big” libraries near me are super uptight about it.

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janellthegreat t1_jdhpocf wrote

For Texans who might be reading this, Houston digital library is available to all in-state residents.

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smileglysdi t1_jddy6uw wrote

Do you live in the US? If you do, you should be able to use interlibrary loan, which should be able to get you any book you want. Getting a reciprocal card from another, larger library should also be an option. Goodwill/Salvation Army and other thrift stores have TONS of children’s books- usually pretty cheap!

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdeagxp wrote

Last time I tried to inter-library loan something it was twice the cost of buying it used. Yeah I’m a pro at finding cheap books, but then you have to do something with them when you are done.

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smileglysdi t1_jdeblta wrote

Oh, no!! I have lived in 5 states and interlibrary loan never cost me anything!!! I totally understand the space issue. I donate to little free libraries. Or goodwill- in my town, if I donate to goodwill, they give you a 10 percent off coupon which I then use to buy more books! I actually keep very few books myself, but we have soooo many kids books. I am an elementary teacher though, so as soon as my kids outgrow them, they are being donated to school. They use them as giveaways, in book swaps, just in classroom libraries, all kinds of ways!

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smileglysdi t1_jdebw4p wrote

Now that I have outed myself as a teacher, I just want to add that MANY of us do NOT believe in only letting kids check out certain “level” books!!! That is an absolute travesty.

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdeolwu wrote

I think a lot of my problem is that we live in the middle of nowhere. There’s no goodwill haha.

To be honest, I don’t really think all the teachers support the check out restrictions but I think there are some families that have abused it in the past. The principal recently “snuck” a book to one of my kids that is 3 “grades” above them. I’m definitely not trying to trash the school, I definitely think they care and are doing the best they can in a hard situation.

Honestly, I’ve only lived in one town I didn’t have to pay for inter-library loans. It was in the next county over haha. I don’t think there are consistent rules around a lot of this stuff, even in the same state. One library system we were in was so bad they tried to charge us for books we had never checked out ever. Multiple times. I think it can be a really mixed bag sometimes.

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ctilvolover23 t1_jdemkph wrote

Where do you live where the library has extremely limited hours?

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LordLaz1985 t1_jdeue5f wrote

A lot of rural areas don’t have long library hours. It’s harder to pay for enough librarians to keep the place open all day.

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LordLaz1985 t1_jdeu8xy wrote

That’s so gross. School libraries shouldn’t gatekeep books by grade level like that. Exceptional learners are everywhere!

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cMeeber t1_jdeyzi9 wrote

My school was the same in 3rd grade. They wouldn’t let me check out books “above my level”…in what way could that possible be a detriment to a child? Smh. It’s insane to put these limitations on kids…even if it IS above their grasp, what can it hurt for them to leaf through?

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdftdbt wrote

I think we have a very disadvantaged school and the younger kids are ruining the popular books.

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GodOfDucks t1_jdezyn6 wrote

>The school library will only let kids check out books from “their” grade level.

This is so bizarre, I've never of such a thing!

What problems do they think they are solving with this policy?!?

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vivahermione t1_jdfavfo wrote

I wonder if they've gotten complaints from parents about children reading books with "mature themes" and this is how they deal with it. I agree; it's bizarre and inimical to learning.

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iamthatis4536 t1_jdft8ly wrote

I think the problem of kindergarteners tearing pages out of Harry Potter.

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Apprehensive-Log8333 t1_jdfaafx wrote

I am hyperlexic and that is INSANE. If that had been the policy when I was a child I'd've had a meltdown every single day.

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