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theworldsucksbigA t1_it7l227 wrote

Reply to comment by mongreldogchild in Why are black people inexistant in the fantasy/sci-fi genre by hater_first

Everything is exclusive? Lmao you're just trying to find racism where there isn't any just like the OP their name is hater first, just looking for new hate. There's plenty of books that have black characters if you actually take the time to look for them instead of crying bout them not existing in the first place. Yes there's not an abundance of them but if you use some critical thinking/logical reasoning then you'll discover that vast majority of authors for those 3 genres are white. But you also got to think of what the culture is like aswell, America is predominantly white so there will of course be more white characters... go read stuff from authors of different countries.

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mongreldogchild t1_it7nm5k wrote

Greek Americans only make up 1% of the American population (I'm being generous here, as well, as I've seen as low as .5), yet I can find plenty of books that include me whether through realistic fiction, historical, science fiction, post apoc, and even societies based off of mine in fantasy. Why is my race so well represented in America when we are predominately not in America?

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theworldsucksbigA t1_it7oq38 wrote

Are you white skinned? Jesus you're reaching so far that your arm may become dislocated. Wasn't this discussion about skin color of characters in books and not where the characters lineage is from?

So which fantasy books are you reading that explicitly states the real world lineage of characters(to match skin color) and not just some statement about skin color?

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mongreldogchild t1_it7pevf wrote

Reread, king, your comprehension is busted. We were talking about EUROPEAN and specifically English medieval period being overly represented in this chain of comments. The talk was about how interest is based only on your heritage (somehow). So, why should I as a GREEK find any interest in other Europeans just because I am pale? (I am part Turk.) Yet, I don't have to find that. My SPECIFIC heritage is represented more so than the population should dictate.

It doesn't have to explicitly state lineage. When they are calling characters Castor and Acastus and Penelope and described with dark curly hair and dark eyes and olive skin, I know they are using my heritage as a building point for their fantasy culture.

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theworldsucksbigA t1_it7rzzs wrote

Lmao. No one said you have to find any interest in things that don't interest you, we're human we will like what we as an individual like. I believe this line of discussion was about the authors heritage influencing their works and not the heritage of the readers influencing the authors work. And those are just names, I had a white guy named dewayne that worked at my last job with me should he have been black or different ethnicity because of his name?

But I'm done with this convo, we'll just be going in circles from here based on your responses.

But here's some helpful guidance to hopefully help you and others that read this. Everyone is different, we are all human we bleed red when cut, stop seeing skin color or ethnicity or what someone believes in as proof that that person is this way or that, actually see the person in front of you and not some superficial fluff.

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mongreldogchild t1_it7skv1 wrote

Why jump into a conversation when you didn't even read what other participants said? I shouldn't have to break down all of your arguments into the context of the conversation for you. To say it's reaching that an entire society with Greek names, Greek appearance, Greek social mores, based off of what Ancient Greeks did with a pantheon similar to Ancient Greeks is note based on Greeks is insane. You just want to be right. You just want to hear yourself talk. Some guidance: instead of jumping into a conversation you refused to read when you just want to talk, buy a microphone and read aloud to yourself.

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theworldsucksbigA t1_it7srn0 wrote

Who said anything about Greeks besides you? Lmfao

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mongreldogchild t1_it7tdo0 wrote

I'll remind you of your argument for you:

You said: Most Americans are white, so their interest goes to white characters. Your implication being that the interest is based only on statistics not on other factors that go into this interest.

I said: I am Greek, and most white Americans are not Greek. Yet, American fantasy has a high saturation of Greek based fantasy despite the population. I asserted, because there are a lot of people interested in Greeks and a small minority of Americans are Greek means that the interest isn't about statistical presence in America.

You said: What is your skin color? Implying that because I am white, I should be interested in European cultures other than mine.

I said: But the whole premise you are defending states that it is about heritage. Why are Polish people interested in my Greek heritage? Why should I, a Greek, be interested in English fantasy?

You said: No one is talking about Greeks. Those Greek names could be anything, even though you specifically asked me to define how I knew the fantasy I read was talking about or referencing Greeks in some way.

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theworldsucksbigA t1_it7uncg wrote

Yeah the presence of characters and how they look is up to the author of the book and most authors in these genres are white. I seen a few of your comments on this post talking about you thinking someone is implying something. If you were following this thread then it started with how authors books are usually inspired by themselves and their history and that's why there are more white characters in these genres.

Edit but I'm done with this.

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mongreldogchild t1_it7w3se wrote

If its inspired by themselves, why are there so many Greek fantasies and characters and heritage represented when Greeks make up 1 or less % of the population and the authors themselves are not Greek?

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BlackNEwhite t1_it8q0q6 wrote

Are you unaware of the popularity and tradition of telling stories about Greek mythology? Xena the warrior princess, the Disney film Hercules etc. And that's just the super popular stuff.

Do you need help figuring out why writing stories in that same vein is popular among writers? Really?

Have you heard of money?

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mongreldogchild t1_it8vrf2 wrote

It's almost like that was my exact point. There is more than statistical presence of something that garners interest. If you'd taken even a passing interest in reading what I've written, you'd have seen that you should have been saying that to someone else besides me as that has been my point this entire time. No one here is of Greek heritage, yet they think that Greek heritage is popular in fantasy because of how many Greeks there are (in the same vein as their arguments towards other kinds of fantasy that focus on other European heritage).

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AtraMikaDelia t1_it8rayy wrote

Because Greece had more influence on modern western civilization than any other culture.

Even if the Greeks didn't personally make it to America in large numbers their influence certainly did

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mongreldogchild t1_it8vxeb wrote

It's almost like my point is that it has nothing to do with what someone has personally experienced or what is statistically "relevant". The use of the Greek canon and heritage to create fantasy worlds has nothing to do with Greek authors. The interest is formed from something else.

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