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LukeWarmCheesecake t1_j6g4irb wrote
And yet they're still demonstrably better than the mainstream American political parties.
Sad state of affairs in this country.
currentlyhigh t1_j6g79zw wrote
I agree that our 2 party system absolutely sucks. I think that the difference between the DNC and the GOP is so insignificant that it isn't even worth talking about.
But I strongly disagree that The Party for Socialism and Liberation the answer. Far-left authoritarian communism is never the answer and to say that it is "demonstrably better" is demonstrably false.
LukeWarmCheesecake t1_j6is0c5 wrote
PSL is much less authoritarian left than the society we live under today being authoritarian right. The thing is, you've accepted authoritarian right in your heart more because it's what you're used to, so you see it as being better. The change to authoritarian left is a much greater thought experiment, which makes you very uncomfortable.
Also, for all you liberals buying into this man's crap, he's self described as being redpilled and he's also probably an anarcho-capitalist (hanging around in their subreddit). Stop falling for these far right-wingers crap. He's not someone who has genuine concern, he's just another far-right asshole.
currentlyhigh t1_j6jc1us wrote
Lol did you seriously go back a year into my comments so you could formulate a silly ad hominem? What a freak
LukeWarmCheesecake t1_j6kcunn wrote
Do you know what an ad hominem is? Don't use words and phrases you don't know! It makes you look like an idiot!
And do you deny anything?
Swayz t1_j6csdt4 wrote
What happened in Memphis was horrible and can’t happen again but the people pictured in this protest look like idiots. Are those just recycled signs?
moodysk8r2002 t1_j6dvdnc wrote
i was a little off put by the signs. this wasn't a race issue, this was a police brutality issue
personally, as a black woman, i think a vigil would have been more appropriate than a protest
p0rkch0ps t1_j6eeoyx wrote
a vigil does nothing to protest police brutality. anger needs an outlet. police brutality is often a race issue
moodysk8r2002 t1_j6eflza wrote
you're completely missing the point of what i said
p0rkch0ps t1_j6egcd3 wrote
I don’t believe I did.
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Police brutality is often linked to racism. Black people are disproportionately victims of police brutality and over policing. The officers being black, killing a black person does not invalidate racism.
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The officers were fired sure, but not everything is good and settled. This should never have happened, and they (police) should not be saying “that was fun!” after taking turns beating Tyrie Nichols to death. Firing them does not solve the systemic violence and injustice caused by police. This is why we protest.
moodysk8r2002 t1_j6egyyz wrote
i never stated anything about the cops and victim being black invalidating racism.
now, assuming you're a grown adult with reading comprehension skills, i will not spell out my personal opinion to you after it has been clearly stated above.
p0rkch0ps t1_j6ehpkz wrote
“this wasn't a race issue, this was a police brutality issue”
your opinion is clear. you don’t think it’s a race/racism issue. only a police brutality issue. I disagree.
“i think a vigil would have been more appropriate than a protest”
also disagree. what did I misunderstand?
moodysk8r2002 t1_j6eisrl wrote
disagree all you want lol. my opinion on a couple of signs shouldn't have you this flustered.
too-cute-by-half t1_j6cy6p1 wrote
"Party for Socialism and Liberation."
White commie weirdos who try to use every outrage to kickstart the Revolution.
deetsbrother t1_j6cy0a4 wrote
Everyone in the picture is white
Rowan_cathad t1_j6d5wkr wrote
What's your point?
deetsbrother t1_j6d7xwe wrote
There is no point
MilkWeedSeeds t1_j6d3jn7 wrote
Race identifier has entered the thread
deetsbrother t1_j6d80qf wrote
What is a race identifier
[deleted] t1_j6jbnr1 wrote
Protesting is a privilege for the well informed, those who have time, those who can transport themselves, and those who have the means to organize.
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[deleted] t1_j6kkv5r wrote
They are not white attributes. No human being is bestowed special powers because of their race. You don’t magically become a well informed being because your skin is a certain color.
There are however inequities perpetuated by our failing governments that happen to benefit white people disproportionally due to a history of slavery and religious justifications of that slavery which allowed our infrastructure to expel certain types of people from said benefits. After centuries of such practices it’s no question why there is a massive equity gap.
One disproportionate fact is the way black Americans are brutalized by the criminal legal system. That is what these protests are about. Not that we don’t respond to these problems (which credit to the US, with every decade it cares a bit more). It’s just that these such problems shouldn’t exist. At all.
harriedhag t1_j6d9153 wrote
I was downtown Friday night, and it was eerie af. There was barely anyone out, and the streets were filled with crews boarding up windows and stationed cops in riot gear with motorcycles & cruisers every couple blocks. There even was a pair of officers coming in to do a lap in the quiet, half empty bar I was in. Clearly there was the expectation of 2020-esque protest.
It made me question if I’ve gotten jaded or desensitized to these kinds of awful events. I felt like I wasn’t the person I thought I was, because I found myself thinking “they were fired, they were arrested, and this is just getting started.” I didn’t have that fire inside me that drives me to get out on the streets, ya know?
Now, the entire unit has been disbanded. Exactly what I’d called for during other protests of injustice. So while I’m very sad for the man and his family, still waiting to see what else unfolds, I still am not expecting to hit the streets tonight.
I guess I’m feeling a bit validated that there weren’t mass protests, and think that maybe there is nuance to these situations that is widely understood. It’s not just an outrage machine we were all running, like a lot of murdering-cop sympathizers make a narrative about.
TheSausageFattener t1_j6d9kfz wrote
I heard from a reliable source that receives city-wide emergency personnel alerts that as of Wednesday night BPD was organizing to counter a protest. Memphis PD basically warned all other PDs of major cities in advance.
TheRealBobHall t1_j6dwok9 wrote
Even on Saturday afternoon you could tell that BPD was gearing up for something big. They had metal barricades on almost every corner waiting to be deployed, and I saw a couple vans full of cops sitting around on side streets, plus cruisers everywhere. Makes you wonder how much overtime they charged sitting around waiting for something to happen…
harriedhag t1_j6e59uu wrote
Well that’s exactly it. They seem so far removed from the pulse that they had no idea people weren’t riled up. They really don’t understand.
[deleted] t1_j6jbfwj wrote
It amazes me how the police can operate well in preventing violence to our economic infrastructures and yet police can’t seem to grasp preventative interventions for people-vs-people violence.
Then again, prepping for the most violent situations is how police end up killing people so I guess this is more of the same…
tilehinge t1_j6lk9be wrote
>police can operate well in preventing violence to our economic infrastructures and yet police can’t seem to grasp preventative interventions for people-vs-people violence.
Because that's their only real function: keep private property safe, directly proportional to how expensive it is. They guard money. Humans, they're apathetic to at best, if not outright antagonistic.
[deleted] t1_j6nqtqk wrote
Ehhh police guard the law and the law isn't about justice, it's about criminality and "legal rights" which are rules that keep the rich, rich. So yeah! I actually would agree in an intersectional way.
jojenns OP t1_j6dy6tj wrote
These things cost a fortune in OT not even just Boston either we call in police from neighboring cities and pay their OT too
HoneydewOk1731 t1_j6czq1g wrote
Looks like the most astroturfed protest ever.
gmcgath t1_j6cq457 wrote
Even though the killer cops were black in this case, the protesters are still pushing the claim that racism explains everything. It's true that black people get the short end from law enforcement, with higher arrest and killing rates, but the causes are more complex than "We're white and you're not so we can beat you up."
frenchtoaster t1_j6cr8b5 wrote
Cops mostly-correctly think they can kill people with impunity in general, and some of them are racist (yes, including black cops treating black civilians worse than white civilians)
[deleted] t1_j6jbw3k wrote
Black on black racism is possible. You can be black and hate yourself for being black so you take it out on others.
You ever see Attack on Titan? “I’m a good Eldian! I’m not like those OTHER Eldians!” is the logic.
All of our policies and laws are based on the racist foundations of our country so yeah it does all get traced back.
QuitProfessional5437 t1_j6d21o7 wrote
Black people are also responsible for 50% of violent crime in America. More white people are killed by cops than blacks.
What we need is a stronger justice system with more strict laws. So many people are out here committing crimes and all they get is a slap on the wrist. Enough is enough.
bitpushr t1_j6dyhwh wrote
> What we need is a stronger justice system with more strict laws. So many people are out here committing crimes and all they get is a slap on the wrist. Enough is enough.
I suggest you take a look at our incarceration rate per capita and then think about whether or not the answer is "the solution is to put more people in prison".
liberal_hack t1_j6e8l49 wrote
If you had really heavy enforcement of laws you’d probably decrease the crime rate, the question is whether that’s appropriate in a liberal democracy.
asaharyev t1_j6ebhpn wrote
That was the stated purpose of "broken windows policing," which played a big role in increasing our prison population to what it is today. Stricter enforcement does not lead to a reduction in crimes being committed, and can often have the opposite effect. This is because it reinforces structures of inequality and exacerbates symptoms of poverty.
What has reduced crime is building a stronger social safety net so those who find themselves in desperate situations can get support from the state instead of other illegal alternatives.
liberal_hack t1_j6f06ki wrote
I mean harsher sentencing too. If you arrest someone for a minor crime and destroy their life, and then shortly let them out yeah you're going to have more problems.
I'm just saying if you went really draconian and locked up long-term anyone that commits a serious crime you would probably have lower crime rates, at the cost of liberty
>What has reduced crime is building a stronger social safety net so those who find themselves in desperate situations can get support from the state instead of other illegal alternatives
This is true but it doesn't address the people that commit crime for reasons other than addressing their own survival needs, which is most crime.
asaharyev t1_j6f0zcn wrote
Harsher sentences do not reduce crime. This has been shown in multiple studies, and is easily searchable. Here is just one of many studies showing this.
Stricter policing does not reduce crime, and often makes it worse.
liberal_hack t1_j6f8szk wrote
What is the mechanism for locking up a criminal for life increasing crime rates?
A place like Singapore with really draconian sentencing and enforcement has pretty low crime rates.
asaharyev t1_j6fl1hy wrote
The US has an incarceration rate 3x that of Singapore. We're already more draconian than your example.
liberal_hack t1_j6fvwq5 wrote
We incarcerate people and then let them back out without reintegrating them well. Singapore just executes a lot of people. Singapore is definitely a more draconian legal system.
Treebeard2277 t1_j6d4cl2 wrote
Stricter laws are not associated with decreasing crime or murders.
QuitProfessional5437 t1_j6d4xph wrote
Yes it is. Look at china and Singapore.
TouchDownBurrito t1_j6d5dkf wrote
Look at all the southern “tough on crime” states, they all have the highest crime rates in the country.
This has been studied to death, stricter punishment does not lower crime rates.
QuitProfessional5437 t1_j6d5py7 wrote
Lol like where?
Look at Chicsgo, they have the most lenient punishment
TouchDownBurrito t1_j6d6gz4 wrote
> Lol like where?
Like I said, the south: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state
> Look at Chicsgo,
Oh shit, Fox News brain rot has set in.
Why look at Chicago? Its not even in the top 40 when it comes to crime rate by city.
Why isn’t Alabama being “tough on crime” stopping all the crime in Mobile, which is at the top of that list?
>they have the most lenient punishment
What “lenient punishment”? Be specific.
Wtf_is_this1234 t1_j6d5uke wrote
I mean they have really draconian sentencing. China has no problem throwing people in concentration camps and Singapore still canes people.
marvinthemartian6464 t1_j6cfceu wrote
This is what I picture a protestor looking like
SmearingFeces t1_j6d1u6j wrote
The back of their signs say “We Stand With Ukraine” or whatever the last “Current Thing” was. Total frauds. Take your pathetic signs to Shelby Forest in Memphis after dark, and see how it goes. That city is terrifying.
Simon_Jester88 t1_j6d40bz wrote
They're tankies, are probably cheering on the Ukraine Invasion.
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LoveMy7inch t1_j6coyiu wrote
“Jail all racist killer cops” lmaooooooo
QuitProfessional5437 t1_j6btg4o wrote
Protesting what. The officers were charged
9Z7EErh9Et0y0Yjt98A4 t1_j6ckkw5 wrote
Gee, it's almost as if there's some larger problem with policing in this country and this protest isn't only about 5 specific pigs that committed a murder. Come on, don't be obtuse.
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CoyaiPijao t1_j6cfp6u wrote
But the issue is bigger than just those arrested. It's the institution that they're protesting
p0rkch0ps t1_j6eewjr wrote
wow you’re either replying in bad faith or a complete fucking moron
Proud-Ad-6004 t1_j6ddmk7 wrote
The black face of white supremacy
Conan776 t1_j6c0zu1 wrote
That's why it's the best kind of protest. It doesn't bring attention to an issue the media hasn't already decided to tell everyone about. It's doesn't demand any sort of a actual response from the government. But, in ten years, they can claim they "made a difference" as long as no one asks any follow up questions to nail down the timeline. It's win/win!
What do we want?
What's already happening!
When do we want it?
In a timely fashion as determined by the justice system!
[deleted] t1_j6jca0d wrote
What we want is this for not to happen at all ya thick headed dork. What we want is to not continue the racist ideas that infect the bedrock foundations of our laws and policies that allow this injustice.
Tyre Nicholas’s death should never have happened. He should never have had to call out for his mother as he died. He should never have been beat up. He should never have felt like he needed to run away from police.
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Rowan_cathad t1_j6d60aj wrote
Wonder if the cops shot them all like they did last time there was an anti cop protest in Boston?
jojenns OP t1_j6dgd3i wrote
What is this in reference to?
Rowan_cathad t1_j6fa5vd wrote
When the Boston riot police opened fire on a bunch of silent protests in 2020?
jojenns OP t1_j6fc7su wrote
What??? How many people they kill and how am i just hearing about this?
moodysk8r2002 t1_j6hpdfq wrote
this didn't happen. i was at the 2020 protests, nobody was shot
currentlyhigh t1_j6dz4eh wrote
All of those signs are distributed by The Party of Socialism and Liberation (logo on bottom)
Definitely don't look into their political views...
Definitely don't discover that they deny the Tiananmen Square massacre and the current Uygur genocide.... and that they support the North Korean regime.... and Mao...