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FruityWelsh t1_iwtokol wrote

Reply to comment by nmarshall23 in P2P self-governance society prototype researching the intersection of moneyless economy, liquid democracy and p2p media by shanoshamanizum

Do you feel like society is heading in a direction in which we have more fulfilling community ties and are being empowered, or that there are well established ideas in the academic world in which we have clear paths of how we can begin to do so?

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nmarshall23 t1_iwtrfvw wrote

You've misdiagnosed why we have those problems.

Those are political problems that will require collective action by the people.

No app, or software can fix those problems. You have fallen for the same fallacies that libertarian exit movements fall for.

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FruityWelsh t1_iwvmgdi wrote

This is counter to the idea of historical materialism to me, which is to say, it is the technology that informs what the political systems can look like.

Also, I fundamentally disagree on some front, it is only through personal action to reach out and try and form and join community can they exist. At least I see no reasonable way to legislate community into meaningful existence, nor efficiently empower people since most of our lives is not in the scope of the government.

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nmarshall23 t1_iww0okn wrote

You're getting high on your own BS.

The civil rights movement didn't require an app.

Nor did the labor unions.

People don't need your walled garden to connect with each other.

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FruityWelsh t1_iww7er8 wrote

The civil rights movement wasn't passed down by oral tradition, either. Technology is an enabler for how societies can choose to function. Without the printing press, you NEEDED the lecture to spread information, which gave the lecturer power to choose what was learned.

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nmarshall23 t1_iwwi1rz wrote

Now you're comparing your haft-ass project to the printing press

Talk about Chunibyo delusions.

If your idea was useful, if it had a killer feature you wouldn't be ranting about these tangents.

You would have already demonstrated why it's better than discord.

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FruityWelsh t1_iwwt5x8 wrote

I mean, I appreciate you thinking I made this, but this Reddit post is the first time I've seen it...

The printing press also wasn't made full and complete all at once either, but incrementally, which maybe what projects like this represent.

I think Matrix is better than Discord, at least FOSSDEM conference was a blast on there, including being able to break rooms in a really friendly manner. That said, I don't think this is trying to be a Discord alternative, so it feels kind of unrelated to me.

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