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visit_magrathea t1_jbvqirb wrote
Also Nevada has annexed New Jersey.
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visit_magrathea t1_jbvs7q2 wrote
Atlantic City
nazdir t1_jbw5o2o wrote
It's called Las Vegas II now.
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jweaver0312 t1_jbv0v3t wrote
With some states as if they don’t exist
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TearsOfAJester t1_jbvsx3d wrote
Love when someone puts in the effort of designing something that's just worse than what we already had.
Donalds_Lump t1_jbw1cw5 wrote
This map ruined my day.
Emanemanem t1_jbv9xk3 wrote
Also New York’s only coast is on Lake Ontario I guess?
today_i_burned t1_jbuml8e wrote
Why is this a tilegram? It would be a lot easier to understand as an actual map.
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SirFonty t1_jbtmlzl wrote
I like this alternate reality where Nevada has been copied and pasted over NewJersey. I think we’ve all done some good here today.
IDontRentPigs t1_jbucr2z wrote
Atlantic City is basically Vegas, right?
Strange_Ad_6206 t1_jbufwek wrote
You have to pay state taxes on gambling winning in NJ.
jsvcycling t1_jbvu1fr wrote
As long as East Coast Nevada has Taylor Ham I'll be okay.
mlfblf t1_jbtwx95 wrote
I hope permanent standard time prevails and not DST. May need to live in Arizona…
microwaffles t1_jbu0brv wrote
I'm in Canada and the talk is about waiting for the USA to end changing the clocks so jurisdictions here can synchronize.
Of course nobody is talking about how a change to permanent DST makes less sense at higher latitudes (note the preponderance of southern states enacting permanent DST legislation where it makes more sense). In northern US and Canada it makes a lot less sense
slade51 t1_jbusswz wrote
We’ll do this right after converting to the metric system, so it shouldn’t be too long of a wait.
HoldenMcNeil420 t1_jbvbazj wrote
The ship carrying the metric weights and measuring devices sank and never made it here, so we just winged it.
r_hythlodaeus t1_jbutzgp wrote
4 AM sunrise times in summer would be awful (as are 4 PM sunset times in winter), so no thanks to standard time all around.
-LadyMondegreen- t1_jbuu9jm wrote
Yeah, but a 9am sunrise in the winter is worse to me
Mtfdurian t1_jbv9eo6 wrote
We got it to almost 9am in the Netherlands. Indeed, it is hell. People say they want daylight after work, but the thing is, having lived on the eastern side of a timezone in the tropics, evening light is of no importance. It's the late sunrise that keeps people cling in bed for long, that creates melatonin when having to start the workday, that actually makes people depressed. Part of the dread is how up to the middle of February, the sun only rises after 8 because of the same reason why midday is rather late too in February. Once March has arrived you just see how people look more rested, even on days with horrible weather like last Friday.
r_hythlodaeus t1_jbuve1k wrote
I already wake pre-dawn in winter so it’s fine. The sun rising so early would destroy me and having all of 2.5 hours of daylight at best after work would be incredibly depressing. Also probably ruinous to the tourism industry here.
-LadyMondegreen- t1_jbuvjc3 wrote
I mostly worry about kids walking to school in the dark
ZipTheZipper t1_jbvnh23 wrote
There are dozens and dozens of studies saying school needs to start later. Maybe we should listen.
r_hythlodaeus t1_jbuw0y9 wrote
That’s fair but no one here is walking to school when the average low is 10 degrees.
ATheiaM t1_jbvf3uo wrote
Permanent ST is far superior where I live
scheav t1_jbuzx89 wrote
What difference would it make? Wouldn’t hours of operation be set accordingly?
_BreakingGood_ t1_jbv85am wrote
There's a lot of differences. With permanent "Daylight Time", you can work a 9-5 job, get home, eat, get dressed, and still have 2 hours to enjoy the sunlight and get outside.
With permanent Standard Time, it's dark when you wake up, dark when you get home. No sunlight for you.
scojo77 t1_jbvqzwo wrote
Standard time makes the mornings brighter from October to March. 6am sunrise today, 7am tomorrow when DST starts.
scheav t1_jbv90j9 wrote
Businesses are going to open an hour later if it gets light an hour later. You’re going to be working later. There’s nothing special about 5pm that makes it quitting time.
madattak t1_jbvfhl8 wrote
But business hours don't change when DST starts or ends
scheav t1_jbvgx2m wrote
Yes, because it’s just temporary. That’s the point. If it were permanent then business hours would be set appropriately. If you decided to shift the clock by 4 hours in your state do you think businesses would open up 4 hours before sunrise?
_BreakingGood_ t1_jbvg3pf wrote
My working hours have never changed due to DST. In fact I've never seen the business hours of any business change due to DST.
scheav t1_jbvh28i wrote
DST is temporary. If businesses were willing to change their hours multiple times a year you wouldn’t need DST. If you made a permanent change to your time zones businesses would change hours accordingly - permanently. It’s not rocket science.
_BreakingGood_ t1_jbvicru wrote
Alright we'll see if permanent DST results in the entire country shifting from 9-5 to 10-6 hours.
scheav t1_jbviqa0 wrote
We sure will. Hopefully I get my start time shifted from 7am to 8am.
drakozphoenix t1_jbvgq02 wrote
I’ve written to my Congress critter and both Senators specifically about this.
Here’s a resource with links to some research on why this is the way: https://savestandardtime.com
EccentricFan t1_jbvtpko wrote
I really hope we don't end up failing to end DST again because people are fighting over permanent standard vs DST. Just end the atrocity that's switching time. Yeah, I have a preference for permanent DST, but that's a minor issue compared just keeping things fixed.
There's never going to be one right answer for everyone between the two, with differences in schedule, as well as all the differences in sunrise sunset time due to latitude and whether you're on the eastern vs western end of a time zone.
But get the clocks fixed and then people can try to work out the other issues locally make the greatest share of people happy. Worried about children going to school in the dark in the winter where you live? Convince the school board to push back the start time of school.
There will be growing pains/headaches involved, but the first and most important step is still to stop forcing everyone to adjust their entire life schedule biannually.
Riegler77 t1_jbxzddl wrote
>Convince the school board to push back the start time of school.
The start time of school can't be later than the start time of the parent's work.
7hought t1_jbw0y2s wrote
Getting the best of both worlds of Daylight Savings and Standard time seems well worth the “atrocity” and “forcing people to adjust their entire life schedule” by shifting a single hour in the middle of the night twice a year.
EccentricFan t1_jbw3cuw wrote
There are significant health risks to the sleep disruption from changing your regular sleeping pattern. Each year in both directions, there are spikes in suicides, heart attacks, strokes, accidents including car crashes.
I'm biased, because I'm especially sensitive to disruptions to my sleep schedule, and it often takes me about three weeks each way to recover my regular rhythm, meaning the time shift is actively reducing my quality of life of 10% of each year.
And getting the best of both worlds is an overly optimistic viewpoint even without all these issues. For many people year round DST would be better, and for many others year round standard would be better.
And again, there's so much sunlight variance based on where you live, that even if it was somehow carefully crafted to "get the best of both worlds" in one place, it would be ill-suited to large swaths of the country.
hiricinee t1_jbv1km9 wrote
I prefer that but I'd be happy as long as we kept it. We can all adjust out schedules accordingly if we want.
KerissaKenro t1_jbvwux5 wrote
I would prefer standard too, but I could deal with permanent daylight time as long as we just pick something and stick with it. The constant switching back and forth is maddening
7hought t1_jbw0q26 wrote
Is it truly “maddening” to shift one hour twice a year? You must live a pretty charmed life if so.
Weasel_Town t1_jbw6icr wrote
Same. Why are we making the bad one the permanent one?
5kyl3r t1_jbv60vc wrote
god no, for the sake of software developers, please do this at the federal level. daylight savings is already a pain in the ass to deal with. making it different by state would be the worst
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TheDigitalGabeg t1_jbv1f9q wrote
Wait, the only state in the lower 48 that has the spine to dispose of decades of dumb traditions and get rid of DST ... is Arizona?
sneakyfattwatbadger t1_jbvo1j0 wrote
They’ve never changed their clock. IN used to be in the same boat but then pretended to still be in the eastern time zone during DST confusing everything. Then they voted to stay eastern all the time and have been bitter about it since.
Code_Monkeeyz t1_jbv3rlk wrote
Or… and here me out…. Or we don’t let day light savings continue. Just keep it permanently off.
dandle t1_jbvfq5c wrote
These fools. If we are going to stop moving clocks, we should be making Standard Time permanent. I have to believe that a significant number of legislators pushing for permanent Daylight Saving Time incorrectly believe that DST is what we use in the winter.
CluelessMochi t1_jby32dd wrote
I think the reason is because of how dark it gets very early in the wintertime.
dandle t1_jby57st wrote
There is high consensus among researchers that DST has a variety of negative health consequences and that permanently moving to DST would compound those consequences. Professional organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, have issued statements opposed to making DST permanent.
There are two possible reasons that legislators are advocating for permanent DST: 1) They think that they are advocating for permanent Standard Time because they wrongly associate the name with the fewer hours of daylight per winter day, and 2) They are dismissing the health impacts and are working on behalf of retailers, which have found that there is increased spending with more daylit shopping hours in the afternoons and evenings.
CluelessMochi t1_jby6fy3 wrote
I didn’t share a values judgment, just what I’ve heard based on lawmakers and people, but you’re probably right it’s based on lobbying from corporations
HoldenMcNeil420 t1_jbvb5fd wrote
Because who doesn't want to wake up for a week in winter where the sun rises at 9:30 am that sounds incredible.
Full stop, standard time is better from a health perspective alone.
obi_wan_the_phony t1_jbw87kj wrote
I’d prefer that to flat out never seeing the sun
kapanenship t1_jbvg30r wrote
One of the few major pluses living in AZ
chiliedogg t1_jbviswo wrote
If you hit me with a Spring Forward, I'm owed a goddamned Fall Back.
qwertyorbust t1_jbvpzsl wrote
aka “How to make software developers cringe.”
kg264 t1_jbv1zkd wrote
I’d prefer we stay on real time because you know, actual time. But ultimately we need to make a decision and stick with it. Changing clock times twice a year is so stupid.
louiswins t1_jbv53hj wrote
I prefer permanent DST because my waking hours aren't equal before & after noon: I'd rather have an hour of sun at 6pm than at 6am (before I wake up). But like you said, just pick one and stick with it!
HoldenMcNeil420 t1_jbvblig wrote
It's better to wake up when the sun is already up and out.
Torn8oz t1_jbvja2d wrote
In what world is is this tiled view of America better than a normal map
New_Stats t1_jbtslyo wrote
New Jersey is labeled as Navada
Arbiter51x t1_jbvfvq2 wrote
What does the grey colour mean? You legend only has three colours.
TheWildTofuHunter t1_jbvl2ik wrote
Grey is no action, which is weird as California definitely passed a proposition however legislation is pending.
birdinbrain t1_jbvto8v wrote
It’s a shame that there is absolutely no other way to display all 50 states and any relevant territories! It’s too bad no one ever came up with a better way than this!
kickasstimus t1_jbw35vp wrote
I’d prefer permanent standard time
gridnews OP t1_jbthami wrote
Data Source: National Conference of State Legislatures Map data: Tilegrams/NPR
Tool: Datawrapper
hiricinee t1_jbv1lkp wrote
Pussies need to make it a Constitutional amendment.
HiddenCity t1_jbvhav3 wrote
I like it and don't want it to change
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ShamalamaDayDay t1_jbvx7ay wrote
Excited to go to the Utah coast…
Blueberry_Pie76 t1_jc6k15h wrote
I knew that beachfront property in Utah wasn't a con!!!
rainmace t1_jbw209m wrote
Yeah what the fuck is this map? Just make it exactly the same, but actually just be a map of all the states where they are and with full names? Like… what?
Colin8tor112 t1_jbwk6by wrote
What does it mean to make daylight savings time permanent?
OnlyOneAntidote t1_jbxvwzn wrote
As a Maine resident, all we need is to be in the Atlantic time zone
panthereal t1_jbuvhll wrote
I'd rather flip the two timings, but I guess this is OK. If you flip them we get more days with the sun setting at the same time. Seems silly to extend time for the summer
msherretz t1_jbv0j0r wrote
I just want the time to stop moving. I'll take either option at this point
ThingThatsJustBegun t1_jbv950z wrote
All these people clamouring for permanent DST are going to regret it when they send their kids to school in the dark because the sun doesn't rise until 9:00.
Greylight02 t1_jbvhz4a wrote
A lot of kids, including me when I was still in school, go to school in the dark already. So I’m not sure it matters that much.
HoldenMcNeil420 t1_jbvbq3o wrote
If not later, being on the edge of the time zone sucks.
Knarfks t1_jbvxubp wrote
Already dark at 8:30 am now and sun sets at 4:40...I never see daylight on days I work during the winter. Way better to have daylight after work when I can actually do something.
shruggedbeware t1_jbvly2y wrote
This makes it sound like Congress can write some bills and suddenly the Sun agrees to show up later in the day and stick around for longer lmfaoooooooo
gULTwPncqlyHIH t1_jbvqn2y wrote
This is such a worthless issue to care that much about
scojo77 t1_jbvqo2n wrote
I’m not super pumped about dropping my kid off at school before sunrise for 3 months.
Fufrasking t1_jbvg0uk wrote
Does anyone anywhere care about this issue. If so you need to learn to prioritize. Country is falling apart and this we are talking about.
PedalGull013 t1_jbuea8t wrote
First true bipartisan effort of Biden’s term!!!
slade51 t1_jbusy9a wrote
If Biden wants this done, all he has to do is come out against it.
kwijibo44 t1_jbuye1e wrote
Oh nice, it’s that terrible map that shows a landlocked Massachusetts, Maryland, North Carolina, and Virginia, and gives Idaho an awesome Pacific coast.