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DoobieBrotherhood t1_it4sqq2 wrote

“Across 110th Street” seems like it is still a valuable rule of thumb.

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Taco6J t1_it4v8do wrote

As someone not from New York, what's going on in the center?

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169partner t1_it5sq60 wrote

It’s Brooklyn and some of the worst neighborhoods in the whole city. East NY and Brownsville to name 2 really bad areas

EDIT: on the right, mostly due to Jamaica, very bottom right is Far Rockaway, on the left in Manhattan is Harlem and Washington Heights. NE of Manhattan is the Bronx. Basically all low/very low income areas

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LengthinessNew961 t1_it4zpmo wrote

White, Asian, and Indian communities are in the outer borough centers. The center of Manhattan is midtown where the richest millionaires and billionaires live, they don’t kill people, just commit corporate crimes.

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yiannistheman t1_it63afu wrote

>The center of Manhattan is midtown where the richest millionaires and billionaires live, they don’t kill people, just commit corporate crimes.

This isn't entirely true - they kill people too, they usually just do it from a policy perspective and the occasional drunk driving incident.

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par112169 t1_it5zla8 wrote

They don't kill people, just pay other people to kill people.

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hawtpot87 t1_it6evvd wrote

They don't kill people they just traffic children for sex cults

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Hopeful_1768 t1_it5aufp wrote

Camping out in Central Park looks like the safest bet

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tjackso6 t1_it65206 wrote

Right… doesn’t that seem strange tho? Feel like the park is depicted as a pretty dicey place depending on the time of day in a lot of media.

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Zimmer_ t1_it693h9 wrote

No one gets shot in the park, they get stabbed or dissapeared

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IV4K t1_it6g5kq wrote

People get killed where they live and nobody lives in central park

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tjackso6 t1_it6hqvk wrote

Bud this is America lol... People get shot in the subway. People get shot at the corner store. Kids get shot in their classrooms. Eminem once said “you can get capped after just havin’ a cavity filled” lol

Just feel like there’s an abundance of evidence out there that contradicts the idea that “people get killed where they live”.

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GBMFP t1_it6ox7l wrote

Doesn’t matter what you “feel like” about evidence. Literally just look at this post lol; most people get killed in residential area

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tjackso6 t1_it7j62t wrote

Yea, yeah lol... I'm not questioning the data or saying that it's incorrect. I'm just saying it's surprising.

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Lost-Currency9670 t1_it3oy7y wrote

If New York was 100% white it would have the lowest per-capita violent crime rate of any major city. Same goes for any other city actually.

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cuteman t1_it42xnl wrote

We don't have a gun problem we have a gang problem

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Lost-Currency9670 t1_it438b1 wrote

I think the black and Hispanic communities have a problem that needs to be address from within, not by ineffective (mostly white) politicians. Unfortunately every black and Hispanic politician is a grifter and takes advantage of the communities they’re supposed to represent to make themselves rich

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cuteman t1_it471r5 wrote

Obviously it's cherry picking but if you remove the 5 cities with the largest number of murders the US as a whole (with a much larger population) looks more like Scandinavian countries. Those are Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington DC.

When you include them our stats more like the third world and Central/South American countries for murder rate.

Its definitely a problem but it's more of an isolated issue than a national one.

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6thReplacementMonkey t1_it4lip2 wrote

Can you show that math? I don't see how that could be true when even small-midsize towns in the US have higher per-capita murder rates than Scandinavian countries.

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SLYTAPEX t1_it5ai1y wrote

Thats cherry picking.

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6thReplacementMonkey t1_it7tzjr wrote

Right. My point is that even if you cherry-pick to intentionally reduce it, US has a higher murder rate, so I don't see how OP could cherry-pick and come up with a lower one.

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bejangravity t1_it6al7x wrote

No, we have a class problem disguised as a gang problem.

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cuteman t1_it6bpp7 wrote

There's a lot more low income and low class white people than black or Hispanic. Why don't we see the same levels of murder amongst that group?

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IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6whho wrote

Because they don’t live in this city, they live in rural areas

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cuteman t1_it7rsji wrote

Nationally the rates are very similar. This isn't limited to NYC.

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spicynuggies t1_it7801h wrote

Rural areas have the most poor whites. Crime is more spread out and less population density correlates to lower crime. When you live in a town of 600 everyone is gonna know if you robbed someone

Crime and the psychology of crime are heavily dependent on environmental factors. In a city crime is more common because you can blend in more easy and get away with petty crimes.

However more people outside walking also acts as a crime detterent. Hence why Manhattan and Brooklyn rates are lower because of high pedestrian numbers.

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cuteman t1_it7rz7m wrote

Nationally, the statistics are pretty similar.

Density is irrelevant when there are way more poor whites yet we don't see anywhere near the same number of murders per capita or in absolute numbers.

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rammo123 t1_it5ra4w wrote

You have a racial inequality problem. POCs join gangs because they're poor and lack opportunities.

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cuteman t1_it68ibq wrote

Plenty of poor white people, tens of millions in fact... Why don't we see the same thing amongst that group?

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smashteam t1_it5559l wrote

Your absolutely right. If you took all of the non-white people out of New York City and replaced them with white people that committed the same rates of crime that the current white people in New York City commit, you would have to lay off 85 to 90% of the Police Officers in New York City because there wouldn’t be enough crime to justify that many police officers.

Anyone who knows how to use google can go to the New York City Police Department website and download the statistics and see for themselves. A couple years back when I looked at the New York City Police Department statistics, Blacks and Hispanics accounted for around 95% of all shootings in New York City. Whites 1.86% and Asians committed less than 1% of all shootings in NYC.

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Aero200400 t1_it7e81z wrote

It's funny how I conveniently can't see my comment anymore or the rest of the thread. If you're so confident that you have facts to back up your moment of pure retardation, why did you delete my earlier comment asking you to prove your claim? Lol how pathetic you can't even cite a single statistic to support your stupid comment. It amazes me that this comment wasn't flooded with downvotes

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ManasZankhana t1_it5lzhb wrote

Replace them with Indian and you d would beat that

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diracz t1_it5orbr wrote

Are you sure? Percentage wise I’d love to know the national rate for Indians compare to others

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Aero200400 t1_it5a7af wrote

Grade-A bullshit claim with no supporting statistics. So impoverished white people don't commit crimes at similar or higher rates? What a racist statement

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Lost-Currency9670 t1_it5ad50 wrote

The inconvenient truth is always “racism” to you people

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Aero200400 t1_it5b4q1 wrote

Who's "you people"? Explain how having a white ethnoatate would remove crime? Which white people would be included in that ethnostate? Hickory dickory dock

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doesnothingtohirt t1_it30g4c wrote

When it gets colder murders drop

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Tszemix t1_it34vm5 wrote

A reason to fight global warming

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supaplex_ OP t1_it35mlc wrote

And encourage nuclear winter.

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Tszemix t1_it36h52 wrote

Fighting murder by murdering people, great!

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supaplex_ OP t1_it39mc6 wrote

My neighbor was a bee keeper. Once in a while the bees would become rowdy and fly off into a tree down the road. I would see him chasing the rambunctious swarm with some sort sedative smoke machine. He would sedate and collect the bees. And since there was no electricity, he would place the bees down a well until they cooled off and became civilized.

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WyrmKin t1_it6nm7d wrote

Can't be murdered if we're all dead, good thinking

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DerpusCanadensis t1_it4z3ir wrote

Indians of New York, what’s your secret?

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xanas263 t1_it6fjbn wrote

Not getting involved in gangs would be my guess.

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jelhmb48 t1_it7iacm wrote

There are probably like 20 times more blacks than Indians in NYC

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CampEmbarrassed170 t1_itl77oy wrote

Working like a slave 6 days a week to pay mortgage, tuition, food, bills. Then partying hard from Saturday night to Monday morning. Rinse and repeat.

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Eric1969 t1_it59z9c wrote

Wait, how come the blacks number are like a hundred times higher than whites?

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SLYTAPEX t1_it5aqfe wrote

Im not being a jerk or sarcastic when I ask this, but is that a serious question? Again, Im being sincere and nothing more.

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Eric1969 t1_it5iujt wrote

Come on, blacks are not 100 times more criminalized than whites. Cannot just be selective enforcement either. Is there a sampling peculiarity I missed?

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Tomato_skins t1_it5znby wrote

Part of it’s class, part of it’s culture. That’s pretty much it. This data is pretty typical compared to other cities and nationwide.

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app4that t1_it59vjp wrote

One correction:

I am assuming the red dot to reference “Indian” aligns with the graph’s term “American Indian” as there were certainly more East Indians murdered in the city than that one red dot indicates.

The red dot is therefore referencing an American Indian, and not an East Indian victims.

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wintherwheels t1_it62ejm wrote

In Australia we have a very large Indian population (people from India). I’ve never heard people referred to as East Indian before. TIL.

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the_knowing1 t1_it671d8 wrote

Ya I'm 100% sure they're referring to NATIVE AMERICANS.

There are no "American Indians", that's been a big no-no for awhile now.

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torchat t1_it6awsm wrote

With 🔴 it is definitely native Indians.

Same as 🟡 for Asians.

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the_knowing1 t1_it6caoq wrote

Pretty sure you are also referring to Native Americans?

They uh... don't like to be called Indians. Since they're not from India. Columbus was an idiot.

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torchat t1_it6cs8k wrote

Yes, I though about one thing, but type other. This map legend is kind of racist, that what I wanted to conclude.

Agree.

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Financial-Kick-7669 t1_it6kxn0 wrote

Don't think it's fair to accuse him of being racist, he's just probably ignorant.

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Kiflaam t1_it5mp0a wrote

"phew.. good... they still haven't found the body"

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Elizaleth t1_it3r97q wrote

Why are so many black people murdered?

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rammo123 t1_it5revo wrote

Because black people are poor, and poor people are desperate.

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mynewnameonhere t1_it65373 wrote

Are you actually trying to suggest these murders are out of desperation? Like they’re killing people to feed their families or something? Because that’s asinine.

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Adolf_Mandela_Junior t1_it67dab wrote

Don't justify it with poverty, it's because of the culture. Most of poor people don't kill each others.

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CRBl_ t1_it3rxah wrote

It's sad to see how being born 1km southeast of a certain place makes you so much more likely to be killed (not even mentioning assaulted, robbed, etc).

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vbcbandr t1_it61o05 wrote

Governor's Island looks pretty safe.

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magpye1983 t1_it6bukv wrote

Well, I’m not going there.

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forsakenchickenwing t1_it2rufk wrote

Interestingly, the pandemic years seem to have caused a sharp rise. I would have expected a fall in they number of cases.

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supaplex_ OP t1_it2xu6v wrote

Whatever NYC did from 2006 - 2016 to reduce shootings was clearly working. Since the pandemic the trend has reversed.

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RD__III t1_it3w23j wrote

That was tied to Stop & Frisk, right?

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smashteam t1_it52tvo wrote

Yes, that was part of the solution. However it was mostly because of proactive policing approach towards crime from Law Enforcement. It’s actually called “Stop, Question and Frisk”.

This video sums it up quickly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOPM6Vg5OLw

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ar243 t1_it62rn0 wrote

The police aren't a fan of the oxford comma

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SilenceDobad76 t1_it5deh9 wrote

The same could be said for the rest of the nation from the 90s to 2020, so unless NYC saw a sharper drop I dunno if we can really make that assumption

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mysterybasil t1_it7hu4d wrote

it seems like you want to tell us something, what is it?

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TheCynicalCanuckk t1_it4vs0a wrote

Poverty, uncertainty, loss of jobs etc. I know usa had WAY less relief then Canada at the beginning and in general I think. I would be surprised if it didn't increase. Crimes skyrocketed in my city and are now going down again

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mysterybasil t1_it4zl82 wrote

If you ever want to publish this, don't make Asian people yellow and Indian people red.

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mynewnameonhere t1_it64uv0 wrote

Why? It drives me nuts when people go out of their way to mix up the colors. Everyone knows what they should be. Everyone knows why you didn’t make them that. It’s unnecessarily confusing. So why not just do it? If the color of a dot on a map offends you, you need to grow a fucking backbone.

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mysterybasil t1_it6yihe wrote

Because it offends people. It may be unreasonable, but it means that some people will be turned off from the message. Some will take it as a sign that you aren't particularly sophisticated around issues of race.

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TheBravadoBoy t1_it6hk1e wrote

I’ve read so many maps with different colors for race. They’re not confusing. It’s 5 values. Are you trolling? Good luck when you see a map with a color gradient

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mynewnameonhere t1_it6oo8g wrote

Are you trolling? A map where white=brown, black=red, asian=white, Native American=yellow, and Indian=blue is objectively more difficult to read. You have to either study and memorize the whole key, which is completely random, or continuously refer back and forth to the map and key every time you want to know what something is. There is no other way. And then you want to mix up the colors every time?

In comparison, if you use white=white, black=black, Asian=yellow, Native American=red, and Indian=brown, everyone instantly knows what everything is. You don’t even need a key. It’s a universal language that’s immediately understood by everyone and it’s a standard used across every visual representation of race.

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mysterybasil t1_it7g7zc wrote

I don't think many Asian people really want to be called yellow, regardless of whether it makes it easier to read a map.

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jemand84 t1_it5oma6 wrote

Such statics would start a pr-massacre following lawsuits where I live.

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GrinSIayer t1_it6l6dz wrote

I would like to see this but London's nife crime and stuff, it would be an interesting comparison.

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Canaduck1 t1_it706vu wrote

While the graph makes no implications one way or the other, the subject matter, and the nature of America, makes people likely to forget that per capita, NYC is one of the safer big cities in the world, at 5.7 murders per 100k.

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CablePicker t1_it575mw wrote

75 upvotes - shocking - and on quite an attractive map.

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DLBaker t1_it5ppwx wrote

Despite some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation second only to Chicago.

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Can you do the map of Chicago next?

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winoforever_slurp_ t1_it69xdw wrote

Perhaps that suggests that ‘tough’ gun laws in America are actually not tough at all.

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Aztrach4 t1_it6bnm1 wrote

I'm a man of obvious observations. Blacks are dominating the shooting field.

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TerrorDahveed t1_it6gvr8 wrote

Shooting people should be illegal.

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SisKlnM t1_it4w333 wrote

I didn’t know that New York was primarily black and Hispanic.

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RowBxt t1_it5szbf wrote

proof that there was a shift in 2012.. but these last couple years have been a manipulation.. analysis tells me it could be like this for a few years before we see another shift

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enfly t1_it64f53 wrote

I would love to see this animated over time. Possibly even a sectional time animation only showing a 3 year window.

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KissimiB t1_it6dibt wrote

What’s wrong with the crazy Indian guys???

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badMother1 t1_it6fre3 wrote

Blacks are superior as it comes to shooting victims.

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usandholt t1_it6qvdx wrote

Which of these areas would be suitable for a king?

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whatttttupppp t1_it6zgxk wrote

Dam crime is sooo bad now and it’s everywhere Not sure we can fix it with the people in power so many mistakes

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kyro_aa t1_it7cfsl wrote

At another place in the world,, there is no difference between black and white,, literally no difference!

But there are another differences for sure.

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JeffsD90 t1_it7e0l4 wrote

Guns are illegal in New York.

Oddly enough, crime is not illegal.

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Free_Albatross3928 t1_it7twe2 wrote

What software/program(s) was/were used to make this? Clear and intuitive presentation, well done.

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CampEmbarrassed170 t1_itl6d33 wrote

I knew some of these dots. Nyc now resembles the hellhole it was in the 70s.

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yeahgamers t1_it6o1v3 wrote

When there are somany shootings it has to be a line graph instead of bar graph

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torchat t1_it6amte wrote

Why Asian - yellow and Indian - red? :)

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jelhmb48 t1_it7i4zi wrote

Why not? It matches their skin color.

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