[OC] 15 Years of New York City Shooting VictimsSubmitted by supaplex_ t3_y8zp8u in dataisbeautiful
cuteman t1_it42xnl wrote
Reply to comment by Lost-Currency9670 in [OC] 15 Years of New York City Shooting Victims by supaplex_
We don't have a gun problem we have a gang problem
Lost-Currency9670 t1_it438b1 wrote
I think the black and Hispanic communities have a problem that needs to be address from within, not by ineffective (mostly white) politicians. Unfortunately every black and Hispanic politician is a grifter and takes advantage of the communities they’re supposed to represent to make themselves rich
cuteman t1_it471r5 wrote
Obviously it's cherry picking but if you remove the 5 cities with the largest number of murders the US as a whole (with a much larger population) looks more like Scandinavian countries. Those are Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington DC.
When you include them our stats more like the third world and Central/South American countries for murder rate.
Its definitely a problem but it's more of an isolated issue than a national one.
rammo123 t1_it5r6nh wrote
This is common myth continuously trotted out. It's complete fake news.
Fact is removing those cities barely dents the national crime stats.
kimock t1_it6r4lz wrote
But what is true is that the homicide rate among US whites is in line with those of Europe.
6thReplacementMonkey t1_it4lip2 wrote
Can you show that math? I don't see how that could be true when even small-midsize towns in the US have higher per-capita murder rates than Scandinavian countries.
Lethlnjektn t1_it5aekn wrote
He’s talking about you, Youngstown Ohio
SLYTAPEX t1_it5ai1y wrote
Thats cherry picking.
6thReplacementMonkey t1_it7tzjr wrote
Right. My point is that even if you cherry-pick to intentionally reduce it, US has a higher murder rate, so I don't see how OP could cherry-pick and come up with a lower one.
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6wclv wrote
I’d say all politicians are like that
Putrid-Vanilla7413 t1_it4j1qe wrote
You’re not wrong, but try saying this in any major subreddit and not getting banned
6thReplacementMonkey t1_it4lm1t wrote
Why do you think they are right?
movieball t1_it60pco wrote
Racist twat
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RivelyanKnight t1_it4kbz3 wrote
*Culture problem.
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bejangravity t1_it6al7x wrote
No, we have a class problem disguised as a gang problem.
cuteman t1_it6bpp7 wrote
There's a lot more low income and low class white people than black or Hispanic. Why don't we see the same levels of murder amongst that group?
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6whho wrote
Because they don’t live in this city, they live in rural areas
cuteman t1_it7rsji wrote
Nationally the rates are very similar. This isn't limited to NYC.
spicynuggies t1_it7801h wrote
Rural areas have the most poor whites. Crime is more spread out and less population density correlates to lower crime. When you live in a town of 600 everyone is gonna know if you robbed someone
Crime and the psychology of crime are heavily dependent on environmental factors. In a city crime is more common because you can blend in more easy and get away with petty crimes.
However more people outside walking also acts as a crime detterent. Hence why Manhattan and Brooklyn rates are lower because of high pedestrian numbers.
cuteman t1_it7rz7m wrote
Nationally, the statistics are pretty similar.
Density is irrelevant when there are way more poor whites yet we don't see anywhere near the same number of murders per capita or in absolute numbers.
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Aero200400 t1_it7i0we wrote
You do
cuteman t1_it7rjje wrote
Feel free to provide some data to back up your assertion
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rammo123 t1_it5ra4w wrote
You have a racial inequality problem. POCs join gangs because they're poor and lack opportunities.
cuteman t1_it68ibq wrote
Plenty of poor white people, tens of millions in fact... Why don't we see the same thing amongst that group?
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