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thepriceofaslave t1_iv6fkhu wrote
I thought Basque wasn't Indo-European?
jakubkonecki t1_iv6g5ai wrote
What do you mean by 'detailed'?
Vilko3259 t1_iv6gz08 wrote
higher granularity than just country-level.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6gzmg wrote
I saw a previous map that only did language family by country, I thought there was a lot more to it, and countries by themselves have regions with different languages. So I decided to go on further and do it by subdivision, giving it more detail.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6hhp6 wrote
It's not, the basque region believe it or not, is majority Spanish Speaker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_(greater_region)#Demographics
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6jg2a wrote
95% Guarani.
leibnizpascal t1_iv6jlgd wrote
Can someone shed some knowledge on how language groups are identified.
pingieking t1_iv6jp18 wrote
And then there is Hungary...
ferrel_hadley t1_iv6n2vo wrote
Hungary, Finno Urgic thought to be from near the Urals. They were one of many nomadic peoples from the central Asian steppes (though often they were from the European parts as well) who swept through Europe and they were one of the few to leave a lasting kingdom and language that survived to the modern world.
ferrel_hadley t1_iv6nsa5 wrote
Similarities in words especially root words and grammar structures. Especially when you have more ancient forms preserved as for Latin, Greek and Sanskrit that was used to tease the first scientific theories of language groups.
leibnizpascal t1_iv6p4z3 wrote
Ohh I see, but being a native Hindi(said to be indo Europe) speaker I am pretty sure i won't understand even a word from german(Was making my way through learning Russian but hardly found any word that was close to its Hindi counterparts).
Whereas if i listen to kannada, which is a South Indian language (which is shown as Dravidian language)....i can pick words here and there.
ferrel_hadley t1_iv6qg8o wrote
People often do not understand other dialects of their own language.
In terms of individual words, languages will often take loan words from other languages, so for example Turkish has a lot of Persian words as the ruling class used to speak Persian. Or English is something like 1/3 loan words from French due to the ruling class speaking it. But if you go to pre Norman English (Anglo Saxon) it is much closer to early forms of Dutch (Friesian).
This is why when you have ancient forms of languages you can see more clearly the connections.
Also with Indo European the languages likely started to split about 6000 years ago when the various people migrated east towards India and Iran and west into Europe. So there is a huge amount of time for the languages to diverge. The similarities are in the shortest and oldest words, words for things like father, mother that kind of thing.
thepriceofaslave t1_iv6ry1r wrote
Aw that's a pity. It is a really unusual linguistic anomaly in Europe
vk6flab t1_iv6rzno wrote
I'm pretty sure that none of the first nations people in Australia would characterise their language as Indo-European.
Depending on how you count, there are between 250 and 363 different languages like that in Australia.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_languages
Nafetz1600 t1_iv6unlf wrote
Maybe because of the mountains?
Nafetz1600 t1_iv6v30s wrote
Correct me if I'm wrong: The Sounds that the languages use should be similar so you can write a the sound of a german word in Hindi.
Nafetz1600 t1_iv6vf0s wrote
There are two Counties in Romania with a hungarian majority: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians_in_Romania
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6wfk4 wrote
They don't constitue enough of the population to make a difference.
vk6flab t1_iv6wqyi wrote
The title of your visualisation is "Detailed Language...", not "Primary Language...".
authorPGAusten t1_iv6zkco wrote
Not sure how you are doing the classification, but 95% speak Guarani, but also 95+% speak Spanish. Most people are dual lingual, but I think more people speak Spanish natively, or at least similar rates.... not sure how it would be on this map
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BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6zzg0 wrote
The detailed part is the subdivisions.
Datapunkt t1_iv74xha wrote
Was meant to be a joke regarding austroasian since many things starting with "austro" refer to Austria.
Rraudfroud t1_iv79hn3 wrote
What’s happening in the UAE is it a age old farsi community or recent indian migrants
TheCasualParry t1_iv7cqot wrote
Quechua is spoken by about 500 thousand people in Argentina. 1400 thousand people live in Tucumán, 700 thousand in Jujuy.
There is a significant amount of quechua speakers in those provinces, but I highly doubt it surpasses 50% of the total population.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv7cw4y wrote
That area is a bit complicated I may have accidently colored the wrong province.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv7d3j0 wrote
The majority race in the UAE is South Asian not Arab.
TheCasualParry t1_iv7d67s wrote
Don't worry about it. The only other province that I think could possibly surpass 50% is Santiago del Estero. I'll leave the details to you 👍
magnesiumb t1_iv7efwe wrote
Why are there two Oranges?? Hard to tell them apart, they look the same, if they are different.
I don’t this this is very detailed. Seems like a high level overview. Many of these countries are teeming with linguistic diversity.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv7ekmw wrote
Ye I kinda ran out of colors, but it's not the complete same, also one of them says South Indian.
magnesiumb t1_iv7ewwg wrote
Yeah, I can see where the break is but it was just confusing at first glance to see South India lumped in with the other ones in Orange. That was new info to me, lol. It makes sense but even a darker orange would have worked.
artaig t1_iv7jwwc wrote
Yes you will, if you are trained. The idea of grouping languages came exactly because of English and Germans encountering Sanskrit and Hindi and figuring out they were related. Name-Naam, Mutter-Maata, Vater-Pita,...
Even Western Classical languages:
Maharani = mega regina
HistoricalSecurity77 t1_iv7mm7s wrote
The orange colors look identical.
Puncius_Pinatus t1_iv7wp9s wrote
How much time did you spent on europe? As i know, there are some regions around hungary that mayorly hungarian speaking.
We sometimes say "hungary is the only country which is surrounded by itself".
Hotel777 t1_iv8a19c wrote
Paraguayan here, you're right, no idea why you're getting downvoted
OP is saying 95% speak guarani but that couldn't be farther from the truth.
Around ~90% UNDERSTAND the language and the majority do SPEAK it but it's nowhere near +90% levels.
Also apart from Guarani, people also speak Spanish...
I also highly doubt Inuit languages are classified as being part of the same FAMILY group as Tupi Guarani and others
Hotel777 t1_iv8a3se wrote
Yeah.. but those 95% also speak Spanish..?
L0SC0L t1_iv8dp98 wrote
interesting, what parts, i guess serbia and romania, karpaty?
RedmondBarry1999 t1_iv8kg8b wrote
Technically Japanese isn't an isolate: it is part of the Japonic family along with the Ryukyuan languages.
EDIT: Korean is also related to the Jeju language, although the latter is severely endangered.
ForwardOpportunity18 t1_iv8mt3s wrote
Inner Mongolia is also 70%+ Han Chinese, yet its language is marked as Mongolic?
No_Broccoli_56 t1_iv8q4y2 wrote
why is the northern tip of tunisia grey?
Chris-1235 t1_iv8qiae wrote
Ah yes, the famous Greek-speaking Emperor penguins . I heard there's a tribe that speaks Latin too, but never with foreigners.
Longjumping-Ad-2333 t1_iv8vqyb wrote
Related to Finnish. See map!
Longjumping-Ad-2333 t1_iv8vtt3 wrote
Native Australians: “Am I a joke to you?”
DurgaThangai69 t1_iv93a3i wrote
That's mostly because kannnada has taken loaned some words from Hindi
pingieking t1_iv96wx7 wrote
I know. I'm just liking the nice outline of Hungary in a sea of blue.
revengeOfTheSquirrel t1_iv98387 wrote
As a colorblind person, it is hell to identify the colors from the tiny squares on the left. Nice nap though.
Volcic-tentacles t1_iv9bse3 wrote
It's not an "anomaly". Languages were much more varied before the ear of European imperialism and colonialism. The Europeans murdered so many people across the globe that vast numbers of languages were simply lost.
Language isolates are much more common than you think.
Volcic-tentacles t1_iv9bu02 wrote
Detailed map of European Imperialism more like.
ostensacken t1_iv9cnpb wrote
Central Romania, in the region of Szekely land should definitely be in green. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kely_Land
ostensacken t1_iv9cpnr wrote
Source for this? Genuinely have never heard this.
LanchestersLaw t1_iv9de2l wrote
A lot of research went into trying to define language families. It is a very interesting topic to read about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
The TL;DR version is that languages evolve in predictable ways. You can reverse engineer what a parent language would sound like by comparing its daughter languages. This is very similar to cladistic analysis in evolutionary biology. By comparing traits of organisms it is possible to reverse engineer how they evolved.
Like most scientific hypotheses the evidence for language families was pretty flimsy at first, but it had accumulated over time and is supported by archeological finds, and DNA analysis. All languages should have a common ancestor language far enough back, in the same way all organisms have a common ancestor. Unlike organisms, language does not have fossils and the language groups shown here are basically as far back as we are able to show similarities to languages.
India is one of the most interesting countries in the world linguistically because it has multiple language families. Because children tend to speak their parent’s language, the language families correspond to human migrations. The Dravidian speakers of South India used to be more wide-spread in India before proto-indo-europeans orginating from central asia displaced them. This is an incredibly interesting topic to read about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopling_of_India
azaghal1988 t1_iv9dv1x wrote
It's similarities in very "basic" words for something as far removed as Hindi and German.
Things like family relations are often only a few sound-changes removed P<>V (sound like F) i <> a
Vater (Father) vs. Pita
even with only the change of i<>a you're very close to the latin "pater".
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There are other things, like the indian word "Raj" being very similar to it's latin translation "Rex".
polite-pagan t1_iv9fzvm wrote
If you are really a native Hindi speaker, then the words you might understand in Kannada are all Sanskrit loanwords in Kannada.
Puncius_Pinatus t1_iv9gzbp wrote
Probably, as well as southern Slovakia
RussianCatsSayWeaw t1_iv9hfxj wrote
Good at first look but the details are fucking bullshits
dazaroo2 t1_iv9hprr wrote
Bro came to this thread with an agenda and he ain't stopping
MannAusSachsen t1_iv9ipiq wrote
Calm down down, they are right. It is a really unusual linguistic anomaly in Europe. As in: Languages spoken in Europe today dominantly derive from the indo-european language family.
thermidorthelobster t1_iv9j4go wrote
That makes sense. My native language is English and I speak a bit of German, but I can understand written modern Dutch a lot better than Medieval English.
vacri t1_iv9j68w wrote
https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/qps9gy/indoeuropean_for_two/
Check out this infographic for a more visceral sense of the family. The word for 'two' is similar across most of the indo-european family. Obviously not all words are like this, but it's an interesting graphic.
Another example of how a family is related but not mutually intelligible is that the English "black" and the French "blanc" ('white') come from the same origin - an older word referring to stuff left over after a fire. The English branch took this to mean charcoal, and the French branch took this to mean ash.
vacri t1_iv9jewb wrote
Who comprise 3% of the population, and who pretty much all speak English as well. There is the rare person who doesn't speak English, but the overwhelming majority do.
Volcic-tentacles t1_iv9k30h wrote
Basque is a language isolate, though some speculate that it is related to Caucasian languages, there is no consensus. But it's not an "anomaly" at all. This would suggest that it is unexpected. It is not unexpected: Basques have been living in that part of the world, speaking that language for as long as we have records. Nothing anomalous about them.
As a linguist I can tell you that language isolates are common across the globe, largely because of the damage wrought by European imperialism - they didn't just murder people, they murdered languages.
Worse, in London alone you can hear over 200 languages being spoken today. So your view of Europe and languages spoken in Europe is about an uninformed as it could be and obviously rooted in unexamined imperialist and colonialist attitudes.
You should go back to commenting on cat videos.
Longjumping-Ad-2333 t1_iv9ki17 wrote
Sure, but a map that shows linguistic migration patterns is showing a very recent one.
MannAusSachsen t1_iv9kkyr wrote
Fine, an isolate then. Why didn't it suffice to make this distinction with three sentences, instead you had to derail in a condescending manner?
b1ue_jellybean t1_iv9lmae wrote
Is this official languages of countries or majority spoken languages of countries, since NZ only has te reo and sign as official languages.
robert1005 t1_iv9lss3 wrote
Name me some other examples of languages in Europe like the euskara then. Name me examples in Europe of languages that go back millenia that have stayed relatively isolated and became their own language group. Because that was the original topic in this comment threat.
TheCatInTheHatThings t1_iv9lx3u wrote
I mean…you could at least have distinguished between Germanic and Romance languages… that’s a pretty big difference that’s not being acknowledged right there.
-limit-breaker- t1_iv9r7r7 wrote
Lol @ "indigenous American" ... did we just get too tired to differentiate between Athabaskan, Eskaleut, Quechua, etc.? I get they're not as widely spoken or known as Indo European or Turkic but come on, mate. This isn't "detailed" 🙄
208bilionsthxandbb t1_iv9s9w8 wrote
Wow you sure are an asshole
208bilionsthxandbb t1_iv9sebg wrote
So this is only majority national languages? Taken this way, it sure looks way more homogeneous than it really is
ElJanitorFrank t1_iv9sg6q wrote
You're a rude self-righteous preachy person. You've effectively squashed that person's interest in this subject, which I'm assuming you're invested in as a self titled linguist.
How terrible that London is so diverse that more languages are spoken there than anyone can even name. Get off your high horse and treat people with respect, dick.
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Aprokind t1_iv9xayf wrote
As a non linguist, you are kinda annoying and condescending. Sneed.
RoamingArchitect t1_iv9z2cb wrote
Honestly I am not convinced the two aren't somehow related. Learning Korean it felt as though a quarter was basically Japanese words with weird pronunciation shifts and another quarter was Chinese in origin. I do get that both languages would have loanwords but for me the overlap felt a bit too intensive to both languages. Almost like a weird puzzle piece linking them.
There are theories that Japanese and Korean might be related but you'll get plenty of deniers on both sides (understandable considering their history) and it seems to be on that cusp where language studies either sides with loan-words and cross-pollination or with interrelatedness. That being said I do think that the Altaic language theory doesn't hold up. Just because there is an overlap from Japanese to Korean and than a questionable one to the Mongolic languages and so on until you land in the Turkic languages is not proof that they are all related. The same logic could be applied to Jp-Kor-Chn and then into Burmese. But Korean as a link barely works in this case and beyond the odd Chinese loanword you'll be hard pressed to find any relationship between Burmese and Japanese as opposite ends of the chain if you will.
and-no-and-then t1_iva5cof wrote
All the white areas speak fish.
argwiththem t1_ivamr9u wrote
Then you shouldn't use any other colors for the Russian Federeation. There is no region except probably Caucasus where the majority speaks on aboriginal for the territory language. For example, the Resp. Bashkortostan are colored brown, but Bashkir language are currently used by only 1.4 million people in the world while the whole population of the Resp. is 4 million people.
Newton_101 t1_ivaocmv wrote
most of south indian languages’ origin also has roots in Sanskrit. Where would you put sanskrit in? Indo-european?
geaddaddy t1_ivau609 wrote
Here is an example. I think that there is a dance called the saptapadi, is that right? Done at marriages, and meaning seven steps.
In Latin the root septa means seven and pedes literally means feet but the root is used in lots of words to refer to walking or stepping.
leibnizpascal t1_ivawgcx wrote
Yeah while that's true, the Malayalam(which is yet another Dravidian language) for steps is "padikal"(which also seems to come from the same word padi).
Honestly I am still not convinced with this whole language grouping. Maybe i have to read into the links that people in other comments have shared.
leibnizpascal t1_ivawom5 wrote
Yeah while most are there are words which are like extensions or short form of certain Hindi or north Indian language words.
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Volcic-tentacles t1_ivblinv wrote
God forbid that I should pollute Reddit with facts.
geaddaddy t1_ivbpesp wrote
Or Whalish. Or Octopode
geaddaddy t1_ivbppqa wrote
It is by language families. It is no bigger than the spread in any of the other large families
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astro_nova t1_ivd2xtg wrote
It’s western oriented. But basically it’s historical plus linguistic. But this is by no means settled science and in the past leading theories or sidelined (especially non-western) ideas rose to prominence and consensus or were cast aside, and disagreement still exists.
ofufnfighskfj t1_ivd4tz0 wrote
Doesn’t it make more sense that French “blanc” is related to English “blank” not “black”
vacri t1_ivdxvit wrote
Blank is a later 'forking' of the word, coming to English via French.
BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iv6clne wrote
Sources: Goign through each Nations demogrphics sections and using previous language maps of the world.
Example.: when I wanted to find the majority language of Nunavut I look at the Wikipedia article for its demographics. The majority of native language is indigenous. Inuit language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Nunavut#Language And so many more Wikipedia articles, too many too include
Tool: Mapchart.net