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smurficus103 t1_j4wi2eu wrote

Reply to comment by fitandhealthyguy in [OC] US Opioid overdose deaths from 1999 to 2018 by hcrx

Cdc published new 2022 stats on opiates, it's around 30 per 100,000. It's overtaken diabetes, liver disease and kidney disease. I think it's underneath alzheimers and stroke is ~38 per 100k in 2021

Deschedule and sell controlled doses at Walgreens OTC. Tell your friends!

Edit woops its 2021

In 2021, 106,699 drug overdose deaths occurred, resulting in an age-adjusted rate of 32.4 per 100,000 standard population in the United States.

Opiates are like 22 per 100 000, so, demoted down below diabetes https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db457.htm

And overall deaths https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/images/databriefs/451-500/db456-fig4.png

This one seems to include current data on overdose deaths https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/drug-overdose-data.htm

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KezAzzamean t1_j4z10w9 wrote

If they legalized and sold it in a controlled manner, with a set amount you can have (much like marijuana), deaths would go down tremendously.

Not only deaths, but $$$ for crime lords, human trafficking, all that evil shit. Then the amount of money saved by taxpayers on hospitals and rehabs. This doesn’t include the revenue generated by legalization which is more than enough to fund rehab services and do good for local communities with funding.

Keeping it illegal does nothing. Stops no one. It’s not like anyone who wants to use OPIODS doesn’t because it’s illegal. In fact much of the problem such as deaths is caused specifically from it being illegal (lowered tolerance deaths once out of dope for a short while).

I’m not suggesting anyone do heroin. I’m just stating that keeping it illegal is causing a lot of problems and isn’t solving the entire purpose of it being illegal.

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dasubermensch83 t1_j4z7k49 wrote

> deaths would go down tremendously.

While I'm in favor of broad decriminalization/legalization/policy-reform for all drugs, I'm not 100% sold on this claim for opiates. Your claim could be correct, but historically opiates have uniquely ravaged whole societies. The book "Ten Drugs" talks about 2000 year-old medical description of how useful opiates can be, noting 'it is hard to get patients to discontinue use'. The book also notes the cycle of opium use in history, swinging from 'this time it'll be safer' to 'way to many people are addicts now' (See Laudanum; OxyContin).

Current policy has definitely incentivized Fentanyl trade and made billions for murderous cartels. Safe-use areas with government provided heroine were helpful in combating the Swiss heroine crisis in the 1990's. However the additive potential of opiates is up there with drug nicotine, only much more destructive.

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KezAzzamean t1_j50b4tk wrote

There would certainly need to be education about opioids.

But just a reminder, they were legal throughout most of history. Recently, from the civil war until 1920’s era (some laws in the teens and others later) we had morphine, heroin, and injections. Laudanum was sold at every store. And we had issues but it wasn’t the mass destruction that society fears.

Honestly the best way to keep people off drugs is economic security.

I understand your apathy towards the legalization. I just believe it’s the best course forward. There is no stopping fentanyl and the next chemical to come out. There are a few new RC’s that will be most likely be hitting hard in a few years that I’m troubled by as well.

No way to keep chemicals from poorer countries or areas to produce and smuggle in. We just can’t stop it. Fentanyl is only a thing now. What happens when the next more euphoric and less deadly one comes?

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dasubermensch83 t1_j50kdox wrote

Oh I'm not apathetic about legalization at all. Morally, logically, and economically some kind of radical departure form the status quo is long overdue. The worst side effects of many criminalized drugs is being forced into a cage for days, weeks, or possibly the rest of your life. This has wrought nothing except decades of unconscionable human misery, all for nothing. I don't think most people recognize just how awful current policy is.

The once-great History Channel did a series called 'Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way'. Its prob on youtube now. Its great. I just wanted to point out that each drug has its own logic for regulation, and cultural differences in drug use need to be accounted for.

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dasubermensch83 t1_j4z7tuq wrote

> [opiates kill around] 30 per 100,000 people)

Also for reference: the murder rate is ~5 per 100k, suicide is ~11 per 100k. The opiate epidemic is terrifying.

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KezAzzamean t1_j5gxeyy wrote

I wonder what the statistics are on death from heroin or fent IV?

I don’t remember the last time, if ever, I’ve heard of overdose from hydrocodone or oxycodone. I know it’s possible but would take a lot.

Not counting things like mixing with alcohol and Xanax either. Mix oxy with a bottle of vodka and Xanax and it’s extremely dangerous.

I know the numbers exist. I’m just curious what the actual deaths are specifically from. I’d imagine fent and heroin are 90%+ of those deaths and I bet fent is the much higher percent in that.

I’d say looking at death rates in the 90’s would give a good idea of heroin death but again, to remove cross drug use numbers. And then what is IV vs smoking.

I may actually try and compile some data because I am honestly curious.

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