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Norvig-Generis t1_j5fw6os wrote

Reply to comment by BaalHammonBePraised in Racial diversity in top tech & biotech companies [OC] by teamongered

Because they literally chose to be a race centered society instead of a post racial, they are consciously and legally moving towards segregation and all that, its wild.

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st4n13l t1_j5fwg3g wrote

>they are consciously and legally moving towards segregation and all that, its wild.

That would be wild if it were actually true

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Norvig-Generis t1_j5fzcsb wrote

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/18/more-universities-holding-segregated-graduation-ev/

There ya go, next time just ask nicely.

Btw I'm just highlighting how America is on a path towards being more centered around race and even separating people based on it, this is not a discussion on identity politics or left/right, plz

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st4n13l t1_j5g1nlt wrote

The vast majority of those they referred to have additional, optional graduation events for smaller communities in addition to the main ceremony. This is not ethnic segregation like what that the US enforced for the first 200 years of our existence.

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Bard_Bromance_Club t1_j5j9ysu wrote

so it's not forced segregation but optional segregation. How is that distinction any better in response to his comment?

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st4n13l t1_j5jgkfx wrote

The same way forcing religion is bad but allowing people to practice their own faiths is not bad

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Bard_Bromance_Club t1_j5jwzii wrote

That is the biggest misnomer for lack of a better word. To expand on your analogy, I can talk about the islamic faith and consider converting to it from a christian background. I can talk about the flaws in christanity compared to judaism compared to islam and so on. Everyone has the free will to engage in these conversations or beliefs. In segregation you are preventing anyone from engaging who doesn't fit a racial profile.

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I have gone into a mosque to talk with an Imam about Islam and was welcomed and encouraged. Would that be the same in this scenario of segregation?

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tabrisangel t1_j5g60cp wrote

Oh damn you got him! (By making an absurd strawman argument

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st4n13l t1_j5g9w8i wrote

They said the US was consciously and legally headed toward segregation. The "evidence" they presented doesn't support that when considered in the context of what those universities are actually doing. And even if it did, it doesn't support anything about moving legally towards segregation.

Where's the strawman?

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Rraen_ t1_j5kinw8 wrote

I think they were trying to say that we are choosing to segregate ourselves more publicly, not that there is a return to government mandated segregation. Which is somewhat true, but not necessarily dysfunctional or unhealthy. There's a really interesting study by Robert Putnam from Harvard. Here's part of the abstract relevant to this topic:

In the long run immigration and diversity are likely to have important cultural, economic, fiscal, and developmental benefits. In the short run, however, immigration and ethnic diversity tend to reduce social solidarity and social capital.

I'm not going to use silly words like good and bad, some of us do choose to segregate ourselves, but we appear to do it more typically because of the desire for community and safety, as opposed to hate for the other.

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MarioKartWiii t1_j5gvauc wrote

Some people think additional optional events is the same as forcing people to segregate and there’s no educating them. Our only hope is that they leave or die

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vonRoeff t1_j5ib1cp wrote

I'm curious, would you accept a "whites only" additional optional event?

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gifs_not_jifs t1_j5jjdrv wrote

We recognize the realities of race while Europeans continue to deny the Afro-European experience as valid.

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Norvig-Generis t1_j5ko7sd wrote

Exactly, you want to keep having your society differentiating clearly between Americans depending only on their skin color, instead of creating the basis for a future where our children dont care about color.

The great example for me is how europeans learned to not care about blonde northern hair vs dark southern hair, straight western nose vs eastern crooked nose, red-heads. etc.

Not to say that, typically, the more northern and western you are, the higher the chances of you being well off in life. But the fact the rules don't perpetuate that notion ad infinitum made it a lot easier for people to stop looking at individuals as members of a specific sub group, and just see them as regular Europeans.

I believe the African american experience will never be accepted as a normal American experience for as long as you make sure to differentiate it as much as possible. And the more specific rules you make for those people, the harder it is for everyone to have the same experience and understand each other.

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[deleted] t1_j5g7aqi wrote

We are just curious about how everything works. We measure everything, even by flying right into the hurricanes. We have an innate appetite to understand everything from foundational levels and ponder how can we do it better. It may look like there is lot of chaos and in some case they are; but it is this creative chaos that makes US awesome!

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Flatscreens t1_j5iesxm wrote

Being "post racial" ignores the inequalities and repercussions from centuries of legally enforced racial discrimination.

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gza_liquidswords t1_j5jl9an wrote

>Being "post racial" ignores the inequalities and repercussions from centuries of legally enforced racial discrimination.

Also ignores all of the active and ongoing discrimination over last 60 years.

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Norvig-Generis t1_j5kpykz wrote

No, instead of focusing on all races being equally rich, it's focused on all poors (independent of skin color) stop being poor. Socio economic level of parents defines your life way more than skin color.

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unoriginal_design t1_j5sinf8 wrote

You realize how confounded that issue is, particularly in the United States though? So the economic level of your parents is highly dependent on intergenerational wealth. We didn’t stop enslaving black people until literally what 5 or 6 generations ago? And even when we did, we have implemented so many policies in this country over the past century alone that have severely hampered black and brown communities ability to rise up to the socioeconomic levels of white Americans. You can’t amass intergenerational wealth if just a few generations ago your family were literal slaves and then second class citizens.

Tulsa massacre is a perfect example, but just one of so many modern atrocities. When black people started to actually rise up economically their entire “black Wall Street,” a thriving economic center of Tulsa was razed to the ground and they were murdered because white people were jealous of their success.

My mother was born one year after interracial marriage was legalized. To me that really hits home as exactly 1 generation ago I wouldn’t be able to marry my fiancée in this country. These racist laws and policies are not some distant past, they’re still on going.

Today you basically can’t be black in this country without fearing the police can end your life for literally any reason whatsoever. Your parents being murdered or incarcerated at much higher rates is not great for their socioeconomic status :|. I’m literally afraid daily for the life of my fiancée (and mine at times, cause I’m Latino so I’m fair game too…)

Seriously, we focus on this shit because it’s fucking real and affects peoples lives. Socioeconomic class and race are confounding variables :| like not even just in the US, India’s whole fucking socioeconomic caste system has colorism ingrained, just to name one example.

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5irSkellington t1_j5j0t18 wrote

Why dont you just get the fuck over it? Overy people on earth has faced discrimination and slavery at some point in history

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