3wteasz t1_j5it90z wrote on January 23, 2023 at 8:17 AM

Reply to comment by ZurakZigil in Racial diversity in top tech & biotech companies [OC] by teamongered

You also need to be smart enough to be able to read the room, that you cause more damage than what you solve with your horrendous attempt. And btw, there is no guarantee that you are the smart one just because somebody dumber criticizes you. There are many things wrong in the US society and unfortunately your exceptionalism is not only one of them, it also keeps you from recognizing all the others.

Varcharlos t1_j5j0dwa wrote on January 23, 2023 at 9:59 AM

You say that American exceptionalism is an issue, but then proceeded to complain that we expose our racial inequalities. Wouldn’t the latter be an example of the opposite of exceptionalism?

Speaking of which, yeah sure Americans may think they’re the best, but Europeans think they’re better and smarter than Americans. You’re not any better than Americans in the “thinking you’re better” department and you guys smoke too much. So get off your high horse.

3wteasz t1_j5j10ww wrote on January 23, 2023 at 10:08 AM

Sorry my man, I am not on a high horse for pointing out that Americans are on one.

Also, you're good at mixing up stuff and twisting words. I first complained about these graphs and about this constant need to point out racial differences and then, after being approached by this other dude with his exceptionalistic argument, said that his exceptionalism, the way they implied that the US society is without flaws, makes it hard for him to see my point. So I don't get your argument..

Edit: also, I hate speaking about "Americans", because my Mexican friends are totally different than the typical US-American we are talking here and I don't want to generalize in that way.

ZurakZigil t1_j5ivqv0 wrote on January 23, 2023 at 8:52 AM

*reads the room and sees a lot of progress, and all the regression from people pushing back saying "look at all the damage you've done"*

All the damage is because people won't let us move on, not because we are trying to move on.

Typical right winged nonsense. Plant your feet and require everyone to carry you while you exclaim "if we just went my way it would be easier."

So shut up sand start helping people.

3wteasz t1_j5ixpgd wrote on January 23, 2023 at 9:20 AM

Stop the meaningless slogans and provide examples. And get your mind into the shoes of other people. I am not "American" and I am for sure not right winged. The discussions about race in the US are annoyingly toxic, your society is divided beyond repair. I have no way myself because in my society racism is not as big a problem and the solutions don't require us to constantly reemphasize that there are so an so many others.

You should shut up and instead of constantly reiterating anachronistic facts about your outdated believe system, you should start asking yourself some harder questions. It's apparent that the current attempt has failed!

ZurakZigil t1_j5jno05 wrote on January 23, 2023 at 2:12 PM

Yeah, we already have tried the color-blind. Helped some but stagnated because it grew ignorance. We found in order to unify pur people we have to understand what divides us, and in order to do that we have to accept, study, and track what divides us.

Charts like this are one point of data to track. It's not the whole story, and it proves nothing within itself, but it's one metric to look at to gauge our progress.

PS. It's not out dated, it's the most up to date method. Many people, including myself at one point, do not get why we're now doing this. It's a multi-faceted challenge that needs addressing and it will take time to fix. Ignoring the challenge does not solve it.

edit: Right winged take, so either way... point still stands. And no offense, but i don't have the time to get sources for you. Id look at things with earlier signs of change (tech jobs are kinda a final bastion imo). Look at college admission and graduation records. Data will be young so there's not going to be huge upticks

3wteasz t1_j5k5r7q wrote on January 23, 2023 at 4:17 PM

Thanks for this differentiated response. I am thinking that what actually divides us is that we don't listen to others and the we see the "otherness" instead of the commonalities. Put white people into a bad neighborhood without fathers and you get the same problems as with other ethnicities. It seems that not the ethnicity is/has a problem, but that people are in bad places and that it's mostly minority ethnicities that are in bad places. For instance, if you are ethnic Russian in Eastern Estonia, you'll have a worse chance in this society than "pure" Estonians. So I am then wondering why it's race that is used to explain differences? And why is it that when social scientist speak about diversity, they don't abide by the statistical standards that exist, eg, in the actual diversity science (ecology). These shitty figures just plant weird ideas into the mind of anybody that doesn't fully understand ALL of those issues, and that's most people... Idk, I am simply not convinced it's a good solution to constantly tell people about their differences.