Noxnoxx t1_j0he50n wrote
Meta is requiring meta (Facebook) accounts now so this is great
Lord-Octohoof t1_j0hq3rw wrote
While I get the reservation the truth is you're going to have to make an account for any product you use and they'll all be tracking the same thing.
You don't use Xbox, Playstation, or Steam without an account registered to the company
gwdope t1_j0i68ul wrote
Those aren’t social media companies with a history of enabling genocide tho.
Lord-Octohoof t1_j0i74vt wrote
Can you elaborate on how they enabled genocide?
varain1 t1_j0ibf7o wrote
Don't forget this week's lawsuit for inciting hate in Kenya and Ethiopia - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/meta-accused-in-lawsuit-of-amplifying-hate-speech-in-africa
pieter1234569 t1_j183j8u wrote
So the same as ANY news source in history then? Not really seeing the difference.
greegrok t1_j0i9jyk wrote
Listen to behind the bastards podcast on Mark Zuckerberg
Lord-Octohoof t1_j0id9cc wrote
I mean I know what the OP was referring to I'm just wondering if he understands it.
Facebook didn't enable the Myanmar genocide outside of being a social media platform that anyone can use for whatever mundane or nefarious purposes they wish. In this instance a hostile government regime used it to spread propaganda and target specific groups of people. Facebook failed to detect this because they lacked a Burmese speaking moderation team so a lot of this behavior flew under their radar. And to their credit they responded to this by expanding their moderation team.
So to pretend like it was something they intentionally enabled is a stretch. It's something they failed to proactively prevent but content moderation isn't easy in one language let alone all of them.
By comparison Reddit isn't innocent. The January 6th insurrection was planned in plain sight in r/Conservative and r/The_Donald promoted violence for years before it was finally banned for calling for hostility against police. And those are just two examples specific to America. There are dozens of subreddits that promote violence against specific ethnic groups, religions, and sexual orientations and moderation is almost non-existent since it's left up to admins of that particular community.
TJZenkai t1_j0ilrv6 wrote
Lol definitely don't talk logic on reddit when it comes to bashing Meta. Gave up on it long time ago. People just spin narratives nonstop and make up echo chambers in here and anyone who speaks out will get downvoted. You can see people asking clarification above are already downvoted to negative. Reddit is way more toxic than FB ever was
Hatsune_Candy t1_j0j6yb6 wrote
People seem to forget that no matter where you go or what community you're in, there are going to be toxic people; it's an inescapable fact of life. People are quick to jump at it when it concerns other platforms that they are predisposed to hate, but often refuse to acknowledge the very same flaws within their own communities. It's almost like humans are biased and oftentimes illogical or something...
gwdope t1_j0iirtx wrote
They allowed the dissemination of hate speech specifically designed specifically to create a genocide. Think of them like the printing presses the Nazis used to produce anti Jewish propaganda. Now social media companies have conveniently deflected the responsibility for what ends up on their platforms by tricking courts into treating them like software companies when they are actually media companies, they make all their money on advertising after all. Their excuse is that they cannot possibly moderate so much content adequately to prevent such uses, yet when it comes to something like copyright, they can automate a system that instantly removes content.
So yeah, I understand exactly how they enabled genocide, as well as how they have accelerated the polarization of the political landscape with algorithms that specifically use anger and siloing to increase engagement.
So fuck Facebook or Meta or anything that Mark Zuckerberg ever touches.
steveCharlie t1_j0io531 wrote
How do you catch and delete that hate speech when you have 2 BILLION people using your site everyday?
gwdope t1_j0iqvug wrote
For instances as large as a government sponsored genocide? Pretty easily. Journalists were reporting on it in real-time, so there shouldn’t have been that big of a problem even if it needs to be done manually. You don’t need to view every single post. Just monitor trends and what your algorithm is promoting. Then it’s a matter of stopping keywords and banning the biggest offenders.
Take the anti-COVID vaccine conspiracy theory cons that spread during the pandemic. 65% of anti vaccine conspiracy content originated from just 12 users, so a huge chunk of that could have been cut out by simply banning 12 people, yet Facebook did next to nothing, because that content was a huge driver of engagement. Facebook knew it and chose ad revenue over moderation because they weren’t liable for the content.
Social media is media. Letting the companies off the hook for the content they host was a huge mistake.
Hatsune_Candy t1_j0j7els wrote
Sadly, corporations don't care about the impact they have on society, good or bad, as long as it makes them loads of money it's all the same to them.
gwdope t1_j0j9gwt wrote
That’s absolutely true and actually not really a problem, the problem comes when those corporations convince a portion of the population that their own freedoms rely on the corporations being able to pursue their profit aims unconstrained by any oversight or regulation by the democratically elected government.
Hatsune_Candy t1_j0jziwj wrote
That is definitely a problem, but I also wouldn't consider it the problem. The fact is there are a lot of problems with corporations, not one more important than the other. But, it comes to talking about social media giants in particular, I would like to point out, isn't a little absurd that we allow them to literally control how information spreads over the web? They essentially have an oligopoly over how we communicate over the web.
DJScomo t1_j0i6r06 wrote
But… Meta/Facebook Edit: to elaborate, I trust Steam to be pretty decent with my data.
thune123 t1_j0iq6ke wrote
This comment is confusing because you included the word facebook. Before you had to connect your facebook account to your oculus device. Now you only need to make a Meta account which isn't connected to any accounts. You can also transfer your games over from your facebook account to your meta account.
appleflaxen t1_j0j8wxb wrote
> which isn't connected to any accounts
Give me a break
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StrategicBlenderBall t1_j0ntokc wrote
You don’t need a Facebook account, you need a Meta account. That’s like saying a YouTube account is a Google account.
ommnian t1_j0hj84c wrote
No they aren't, nor have they for a while now.
DoingItWrongly t1_j0hkhsq wrote
>No they aren't, nor have they for a while now.
Meta disagrees with what you wrote.
Article saying they are switching from requiring a Facebook account to requiring a Meta account
I also get a message on my Rift telling me I need a Meta acct by Jan 1st
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RGJ587 t1_j0hlkyy wrote
It is so surprising?
I need a Steam account to purchase and play games from steam. I need a PS account to play games on playstation. Need an Xbox account for Xbox.
The occulus has an app store built in, so having an account is going to be a necessary requirement.
The earlier brushbacks were mainly because it required a facebook account, people felt like it was intrusive to ask for a social media account for a log in. But folks without facebook can make a meta account, and treat it just as they would buying games on Origin or Epic.
DoingItWrongly t1_j0hmkl4 wrote
Surprising? No.
Annoying? Yes. I bought my occulus many moons ago, and deleted FB long before that. So to have to re-join the ecosystem to use my hardware is a drag, especially because I get my games through steam and not occulus.
I completely understand needing a login to use the occulus store, but I don't use occulus store I use steam. So I don't want to create a zuckerberg acount to simply use a device I own.
RGJ587 t1_j0hoaxl wrote
The device you own has standalone software.
Other VR headsets don't they just work via plug n play, which means they have to be connected to a computer for use.
The Quest 2 can work on its own, no wires. And to get the apps, games, etc on that standalone software, it needs a login account.
I have a Facebook account, rarely use it. but when I got my quest I made another facebook account just for the quest. Has nothing on it, purely just for the login.
But if you have no desire to ever use your headset without it being connected to a computer, then it just sounds like the Quest 2 wasn't the best fit for your needs. Especially if creating an account is an undesirable requirement.
DoingItWrongly t1_j0hozt6 wrote
>The device you own has standalone software.
I have an occulus rift.
RGJ587 t1_j0hqcr9 wrote
ohhhhhh. Yea thats bullshit then
wmurch4 t1_j0i36bh wrote
Ur not going to win this argument here. People are so Facebook=evil it's pointless to argue.
Just enjoy your quest 2 like I'm enjoying mine and forget about these people who probably weren't going to buy it in the first place.
EmpatheticRock t1_j0hle05 wrote
They absolutely require a Meta account now. Why take the time to do a quick Google before looking like an idiot?
ShankThatSnitch t1_j0hjxcy wrote
Starting in 2023. A meta account, not Facebook account will be required.
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