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Reddit-username_here t1_j168amh wrote

Congrats Louis Rossmann! Wouldn't have happened without you!

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Gunfreak2217 t1_j17dr53 wrote

But this shit program is horrible. Save like 10% of the cash to do it yourself in comparison to the Apple store. This isn’t a win, it’s a slimey way for them to just fake repair offerings.

10% savings, like 8 hours of your day with full accountability of damage if you fail in anyway…

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Reddit-username_here t1_j17q4nv wrote

You do not have to participate in this, it's not a way for them to fake anything. I fucking hate Apple, I have never and will never own any of their products. But this is good. This means independent repair shops also have access to these parts. Which means it will be cheaper for the consumer to get something repaired, especially if they don't pay for the Apple care bullshit. Instead of being forced to buy an entirely new device, which was common before because people who didn't have Apple care would either be charged more than the cost of a new device, or be lied to that it couldn't be fixed.

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Wirfaway t1_j17qynq wrote

If I understand correctly, it’s still not great for repair shops because the parts are expensive enough that you can’t really make any money and because you can only get the parts on demand (i.e. you can’t buy parts to just have on hand). That and the pain in the ass time wasting process you have to go through to pair the serialized parts through an Apple specialist once the repair is done.

This is only really targeting individuals who want to repair their own devices, but even then, it’s priced such that you’re usually better off just having Apple do it themselves.

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EVOSexyBeast t1_j1952s5 wrote

This is simply false. Independent repair shops can not access the repair tools or parts because in order to receive them you have to enter a serial number of the device you are using it for. The repair shops would have to rent them once the customer comes in and wait days for them to arrive just as the consumer would. And order the parts and wait days for them to come in. The repair shops still have to go through back allies to get a stock of repair parts to repair a customers phone in a timely manner.

Louis Rossmann is not a fan of the program. It changes nothing. It just helps confuse legislators into thinking that right to repair is a problem that will be solved by the free market.

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Reddit-username_here t1_j1973qm wrote

Repair shops have the tools. And yes, they'd have to wait on parts for the serial number of the device, but that's what you get for buying Apple lol.

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EVOSexyBeast t1_j197tqy wrote

When I bought my iPhone from apple I, and most other people, are of the understanding that they own their device. At least the physical hardware of it. Apple disabling my hardware with their software, and trying to prevent me from brining my phone to a third party repair shop, who will actually repair the hardware on my phone because Apple simply won’t no matter how much I’d be willing to pay, is pathetic, anti-competitive, and should be illegal.

And it’s not stopping at Apple, see Tesla doing similar things with their cars. Once manufacturers start getting away with it they will all do it.

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TheyCallMeMrMaybe t1_j19hifk wrote

Not even. The DIY repair is actually MORE expensive than taking it to the Apple Store. This is all just a facade to get US lawmakers to immediately pause any talks on a Right to Repair bill, and to stall EU lawmakers.

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Remote_Cartoonist_27 t1_j1931xm wrote

While it’s better than the nothing that was available before this repair program is extremely lacking and nothing to get excited about. I just look for the iPhones they only offer like 5 parts and they are all over priced. They also don’t sell the tools, only rent them out. Which is weird. And the 5 parts are even for common repairs.(other than the battery, but they don’t sell just a battery. If you want a genuine apple battery and are willing to over pay for it than you have to buy their “battery bundle”.

The parts are also still software locked as well. so if you replace your camera for example your face id won’t work until you contact CS and have them “pair” the new camera to your board.

They also don’t offer any parts on wholesale so it doesn’t help 3rd party repair at all, even if a shop could buy these overpriced parts and pull a profit they can buy, say 5 camera modules, they can only buy 1.

They also don’t have to continue it, especially not in the US where there are 0 consumer protection laws when it comes to repairability or program sustainability.

This isn’t a win, if anything it’s a step backwards because now apple can say “look we don’t need regulation we are already selling parts”

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[deleted] t1_j16o474 wrote

They wanted to beat the European lawsuits to the punch. The countries included in this rollout are Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

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EgalitarianCrusader t1_j18179z wrote

Maybe Australia one day but it’ll probably be more expensive than going to a store, which is Apple’s plan.

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equality4everyonenow t1_j24gses wrote

We need to go a step further and force everyone to make their stuff modular and repairable with a single screwdriver. No glue and certainly no soldering on stuff like memory that shouldnt be soldered

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Upper_Decision_5959 t1_j17axuv wrote

I wonder if they will ever support older devices like iPhone X's or iPads. These older devices needs parts like Batteries/Screens because their most likely to be degraded or broken as time passes out of warranty. I want to replace my iPad Pro display replaced since it's cracked and battery replaced, but god damn the price of a screen replacement at Apple costs as much as a new iPad.

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hippymndy t1_j17bro4 wrote

try asking around to get an ipod touch screen replaced. most places kept replying back “ipad” even after being very clear it was a POD not PAD. i only bought the damn thing two maybe three years ago! all but one small shop wanted close to $100 to replace it. insane.

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Wirfaway t1_j17qbnn wrote

I doubt it.

Apple is famous for not keeping extra inventory around and all the tooling for building parts for older devices is probably long gone/repurposed.

At best, you’ll probably only start seeing replacement parts for new devices moving forward.

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Buditastic t1_j181qzd wrote

It costs that much because they want to get as much inventory out.

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OmegaLiar t1_j1acptl wrote

If I could repair the shattered glass on my iPhone 8 I would be so happy. I have a new one now but that one is perfect otherwise.

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SoftwarePatient5050 t1_j16xgvr wrote

Cool, but also pretty dumb considering that they were the ones who made their hardware so damned difficult to work on to begin with.

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masalion t1_j17o0yo wrote

Knowing nothing about the hardware, could they have made it simpler given how tightly packed their hardware tends to be?

I always assumed that the complexity made their size and weight reductions possible.

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Wirfaway t1_j17q0il wrote

Most repair professionals lobbying for right to repair actually acknowledge that and are totally fine with Apple making things more complex as a trade off for a sleeker device. Microsoldering is a skill people pay good money for. Funny enough, Apple is making things a bit easier to repair now (e.g. removal tape on laptop batteries) as it got even too hard for them to handle repairs themselves.

What third party repair professionals aren’t okay with is Apple purposely not providing board schematics, making deals with chip manufacturers to ensure that nobody can buy certain chips on the boards for repairs, and serializing parts ensuring certain things can never be replaced properly without Apple’s servers blessing it (e.g. screens, batteries, etc).

The idea is you should own your device you fully paid for and should have the right to fix it.

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Shoshke t1_j18hc5r wrote

In some instances yes, for example not using proprietary screws allowing for easier and less dangerous battery replacement.

In other not, like glueing the back panel or the general complexity of using multiple boards and delicate connectors and fine soldering.

The biggest gripe against apple though is they were fighting hard against independent repair shops.

I personally really like Lewis Rossman, he's probably the best know supporter of right to repair, but if you actually listen to his cricism it's ussualy very specific

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senseofphysics t1_j17wiuw wrote

Thank you so much Apple! 🙇🏻 Now make sure you don’t overwork your overseas workers in what is slavery with extra stops in order to fulfill your investors’ quota.

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NinjaSnail42 t1_j17d52p wrote

These parts are priced insane…. $450 for a 1TB storage module? Shit, just the enclosure + the bottom is almost the price of a Mac mini. What a joke.

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bleaucheaunx t1_j16y017 wrote

Does this mean I can finally add RAM to my Mac Studio?!

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4thought66 t1_j1713il wrote

Probably not, as it's soldered, but they'd probably be happy to sell you a new main board for $1200 and rent you the tool set to do it for another $250 shipped.

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NinjaSnail42 t1_j17csdv wrote

Nope, not even that! I just checked it out. You have to enter your serial number, then you can only order the same config that you have when you order a new logic board.

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bleaucheaunx t1_j182lpj wrote

Dang! OK, well as much as I love the machine, I really, really don't like Apple...

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grindhousedecore t1_j172i22 wrote

Yea. I had a MacBook pro before they started soldering the ram. If it went out I went completely pc for work related stuff

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hippymndy t1_j17blna wrote

first macbook i added ram myself so when i needed a new one after 10 years i almost got a smaller one not realizing. so glad i went with more ram i would have been so mad.

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turbo_nudist t1_j17pfgi wrote

definitely no. the answer is no. you cannot add ram to the mac studio, it is on the same silicon as the CPU/GPU

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Falco9805 t1_j17o5ox wrote

Can I “repair” my m1 Mac mini with a larger ssd then?

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Nova17Delta t1_j17rwwp wrote

I think you mean expand back to desktops. The old G5 towers were practically begging to be user replaceable with their interior design.

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compaqdeskpro t1_j19lk0i wrote

Apple needs to start putting plastic frames around the batteries. Actually getting to the battery and unplugging it isn't very hard to do, but adhesive that requires yanking it so hard it starts a fire shouldn't be necessary. Is the modular but proprietary SSD replacable yet on the Mac Studio?

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[deleted] t1_j1a77tl wrote

I’m getting my moms old iMac and this is great news.

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delayed_tracing45 t1_j1u7735 wrote

"Apple offers a service called AppleCare+ that essentially makes most of those repairs for free, but device owners who haven't paid for that service can still pay for repairs"

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offbeat_staircase54 t1_j19m6ug wrote

Apple has a strong reputation for providing high-quality customer service and support for its products, including its desktop computers such as the iMac and Mac Studio.

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Vanman04 t1_j17m2hl wrote

LOL good luck plebs.

Kit or no kit they mode those things a pain in the ass to work on.

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