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Scitianwarrior t1_irdsiv9 wrote

For your information, I refer you to two admirable English personalities for me and for the World who were the opposite of those who, like you, justified the war indemnities imposed on Germany by the Versailles Treaties. I am referring to Winston Churchill and the 1st chapters of his book "The 2nd World War - (1951) in particular the 1st chapter entitled: The follies of the victors. And the other Englishman was John Maynard Keynnes, former secretary of the Royal Treasury and his book: The Economic Consequences of Peace (1920) They will tell you better than this humble citizen of Uruguay because they had not only the fear but also the conviction that the infamous Treaties would be the cause of another war with Germany and much worse than the 1st.!

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Civil-Secretary-2356 t1_ire02h3 wrote

I can't speak on the subject with any great authority. However, your two sources as questionable. Im an admirer of Churchill, but he is questionable as a historian of the age. There are also criticisms of Keynes, that he was unduly influenced by, I think, one or two of his close sources on the continent. Again, I'm not saying who is right and wrong here, just that it is an ongoing debate.

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Scitianwarrior t1_irefsgq wrote

Equal, I am not a professor or academics in nothing, I am just someone who wants to know the origin of things and I do not pretend any revealed truth if perhaps there is such a thing! If your opinion about Churchill and on Keynnes is a majority in the current UK that amazes me and a lot. Churchill was an amateur historian, it is possible that he had misconceptions and as a minister during the war, he certainly made some mistakes although in the essentials he was wrong. He had the premonition that Stalin was not identical to Hitler. Stalin was a mass killer psychopath with which he could talk and even to negotiating, Hitler was the beast on the dark side with whom he could not even speak! That distinction always caught my attention and at some point he said to someone nearby: "I am an anti-communist since 1917 and after the war is finished, I will continue to be an anti-communist but now I say alive the USSR!" And he was not desmaminated in his intuition that with Stalin and with the USSR could be talked out and agreed. With Keynnes perhaps it was not influence but the shock he received when reading the work of Marx and Engels not in the sense of admiration but quite the opposite he just as Churchill sniffed that something bad existed in the classical liberal economy from Adam Smith until the great recession of 1929 and that it was necessary to investigate and raise a new economic theory. And he did it.

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Doctor_Impossible_ t1_irec57z wrote

> the infamous Treaties would be the cause of another war with Germany and much worse than the 1st.!

But they weren't.

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Scitianwarrior t1_irej378 wrote

I am sure that they were and the responsibility of the revanchist France, the US and its policy of the Big Stick and the English policy of seeking European balance were ONE of the main causes of the 2nd World War. The uncontrollable inflation of the German Weimar Republic, abhorrent to 99.99% of the German people, and the great crisis of 1929 were the other converging causes for the outbreak of the "unnecessary war" as defined by Churchill.

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