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Rememberthat1 t1_izgtg9w wrote

God I love this subject, one of the most interesting event in ancient history. First, I remember that there's a map illustrating the sacked cities with dates that were documented and survived the centuries, like in hellas, anatolia, ugarit, levant, egypt. It seems that it started around the aegean sea, again of what we know of. There's the dorian invasion theory attached to it, that supposedly they came from the north (thrace, epirus, illyrian) or maybe farther who knows, there's an good research about DNA of early greeks very closely related to "georgians" near caucasus. Did it start with only one greedy/wary nation ? We know that the sea people were a coalition (dwelling in their islands far away on the dark sea; a approximation of what I remember a pharaon (rameses II?) said about them)

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Gideonn1021 OP t1_izh09cg wrote

I did see the maps of affected cities, and it was almost bone chilling to me to see the amount of human civilization that just outright failed, it makes the whole series of events and humanity's survival all the more fragile

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MyUterusWillExplode t1_izllz0i wrote

Hi, Im looking for this map too but cant find it, do you have a link?

Thanks :)

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Gideonn1021 OP t1_izmgvse wrote

I was unable to find a map that included dates, however this first picture in the Wikipedia on the Bronze age collapse shows the different incursions from different factions, and from that with a little extra research one might be able to get a general idea of when the cities fell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

The map I referred to was traced back to this website, of course with the internet not everything is completely accurate or definite, but from this picture you are looking at most of the major civil centers of the world at the time being reduced to nothing, which is crazy to think about.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/bronze-age-sites.jpg

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LSF604 t1_izmu7j2 wrote

Humanities survival was not in any way at stake of course

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Rememberthat1 t1_izgurh1 wrote

Yes it fu ked everything during that time, a millennial(s?) of relation, trading, economy between very distanced culture. But the biggest problem is we do not have direct written knowledge/artefacts of bronze age central-northern europe, exept that there were a lot of trade routes for amber and other goods. It leads to think that maybe they were good relations between europe up-north and aegean regions. Again there's no artifact proving that they were smelting iron during that time (central-northen europeans)

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Gideonn1021 OP t1_izh0f32 wrote

But were there large civilizations in Europe (Central-North) at the time or was it mainly still comprised of tribes and smaller civilizations?

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Rememberthat1 t1_izh3biy wrote

I tend to think that they were "large" civilizations in central-northern europe too. I'm sorry I can't give the source right now but they were some archeologists who found in northern germany a kind of battleground that happened in the early bronze age with a lot of corpses indicating a battle of thousands of men If I recall correctly. We know that they got a lot of amber that greeks really liked. Again I cannot tell the source right now but I remember that scholars found an ancient neolithic city in the balkans, I think they estimated the city with approx 5000-10 000 souls ( I mean real archeological papers not ancient origins lol). And it leads to the environment, aegean had stones, egypt sand, mesopotamian canals and northern-central european had big big forest. So any colossal structure ( in my oponion) would be more related with woodwork. I don't see why a culture in relation with early greeks and passing knowledge wouldnt have build a big city and temples with all the ressources they got in wood and "money" made with trading.

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Gideonn1021 OP t1_izhef62 wrote

I imagine much like the Romans with Britain, regions that far away are so different and hard to keep relations with in the same manner, say the Mycenaeans towards the German people. I could definitely see relations with the Balkans though. Something that just came to me is if the Germans had relations with these bronze age civilizations, wouldn't it be much more probable that classical Greece and Rome would have had easier access to the region instead of an area isolated from major civilizations at the time? Just food for thought I don't really know

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