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Memento-Epstein t1_j3blten wrote
I am no etymologist, but I will throw up a couple loose threads that might be relevant.
"Hov" in Norwegian, is a word used in the viking age for a place of worship. Torshov = Place for worship of Thor. Gudehov = Place for worship of the gods, etc.
There is also something called Hovefestivalen in modern times. The festival in Hove, a popular music festival in Norway.
HuudaHarkiten t1_j3boyc0 wrote
I'll throw some more random word stuffs here
"a wolf" in Finnish is "susi", but "to howl" is called "ulvoa."
"Hovi" means "(a kings) court", these days a bunch of restaurants/etc are calling themselfs "_____hovi", for example theres a gas station called Pirkanhovi, the court of Pirkka lol.
roffadude t1_j3g2am8 wrote
Finnish is not related to Danish so that’s really unlikely. Finnish is related to only one European language.
HuudaHarkiten t1_j3g9qjv wrote
> Finnish is not related to Danish so that’s really unlikely.
I wasnt implying it was. We have a lot of loan words.
> Finnish is related to only one European language.
Two, actually. Estonian is related closely, Hungarian not that closely.
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lvu45 wrote
Isn't Saami also distantly related? By related I mean all languages in the Finno-ugiric language group, which I believe includes the aforementioned languages, plus probably some more I don't know.
HuudaHarkiten t1_j3lwijn wrote
Oh deary me, how did that drop out from my head. You are correct, Sámi is related but more distantly.
Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian are Finno-Ugric languages while Sámi is a Finno-permic language. Finno-permic is a split from Finno-Ugric. There are more languages in the Finno-permic group as well.
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lxe2l wrote
Nice, I will check this out further, and leave this easy link here :P
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lvq5q wrote
I get your point, but there was much interaction between the swedish vikings and the Finnish peoples. Besides, loan words through trade is common, as well as political terms if an area has been colonized (and I believe there were some viking settlements in Finland). Consider only of how much of the English language comes from norse words, latin or french.
I can definitely imagine that a hov for worship becomes an important gathering place for settlers or colonialists, and as such, that big men or kings would base their power from there, perhaps leading to some development of the word into being related to courts. I don't know. My knowledge of how etymology works comes from youtube channels and amateur word studies in Biblical Hebrew and Greek. :P
But the contact between vikings and baltic lands, Finland etc. is often overlooked.
Very-Fishy t1_j3c3cg2 wrote
That is indeed one of the possibilities:
"Hove. Old Swedish form of Hófi, name of uncertain meaning. Theories include:
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Old Norse hof = 'temple'
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Short form of HOLM-combinations where the last element starts with a V"
MoodProsessor t1_j3dn7eg wrote
Hove Festival went to sleep mid 2010s, but was massive for a while. Beautiful location on an island, with large, round boulders scattered on the oceanfront, formed during the last ice age. It has gained status as a national park now.
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lxips wrote
Nice! I assume all sorts of revelries have happened there over the years. The gods would be proud. :P
CheeseandChili t1_j3elrvv wrote
Funny, 'hof' is also the dutch word for court (like the kings court) and garden (typically luxurious ornamental gardens). And plural its 'hoven'. Hoven is quite common in dutch last names, like Van Vollenhoven.
Probably one of the many words we learned from our viking friends that came to visit the Netherlands so often.
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lx1cs wrote
Yup. "Have" (two syllables; ha-ve) is a fancy word for garden in Norway. Today however, everyone other than the elderly in the fancy parts of Oslo says "hage".
I believe the Norwegian have and the dutch hof is related.
Frisia especially (maybe the rest of the country as well?) were originally populated by pre-viking age scandinavians (germanics? norsemen? I don't know what the distinctions are sadly), who clearly brought their language with them, in the same sense that even the saxons that populated England in the viking age could with relative ease understand norse and vice versa. Which I assume was useful in later trade and settlements.
So, my logic goes that if germanic spread from saxony to England, it is no far stretch to assume that norse words also took the relative short jump down the coast to the trading areas of Frisia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfGRuWTV_rg&t=
I recently watched this series, and Frisia was heavily settled by scandinavic peoples at a certain point.
Kiwsi t1_j3cthws wrote
Nowadays icelandic is Hof.
onthebalcony t1_j3gq2yk wrote
I grew up in Torshov!
Memento-Epstein t1_j3lx7u2 wrote
Nice! Good job on avoiding sacrifice ;)
onthebalcony t1_j3qhrj5 wrote
Thanks haha
ButterflyAttack t1_j3nk226 wrote
Hove is also a town on the south coast of England.
Von_Kessel t1_j3brd2m wrote
I think Ranulf is not unheard of
Very-Fishy t1_j3c3two wrote
True, but Ranulf/Rainulf/Ranulph comes from another name: "Reginúlfr", meaning advice/decision-wolf.
spastical-mackerel t1_j3c50aq wrote
I would like an advice wolf
ccReptilelord t1_j3c5vwe wrote
Another day, more "kill that thing and eat it", "shout loudly for your brethren", and "urinate on that".
spastical-mackerel t1_j3d075m wrote
> “urinate on that”.
Done! Can’t go back to Walmart now but I’m in the pack!
quirkymuse t1_j3d4j40 wrote
Had same problem at Disney when I was feeling goofy
Twerking4theTweakend t1_j3efgcu wrote
Did Goofy consent?
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AslansAppetite t1_j3bzz3x wrote
Ranulph also, though that could be anglicised
coolcustomerr t1_j3cddwh wrote
Yeah I've played path of radiance
enterprise_87 t1_j3byj40 wrote
Snild does not mean fast.
Rådsnild just means something like good/smart advice.
Very-Fishy t1_j3c2yhg wrote
It also means fast ("kvik"). From the vikingship museum in Roskilde: "Runulv, der var rådsnild, det vil sige klog og kvik til at komme med løsninger" ("Runulv, who was rådsnild, that is wise and fast with solutions").
Very-Fishy t1_j3c5fgp wrote
That said, the dictionary definitely focuses on wisdom, intelligence and eloquence when defining "snild", so the "kvik" part may be more focused on "fast with the right advice"?
The_Unknown_Dude t1_j3clvpd wrote
He might have been a sarcastic smart-ass and that's how they nicknamed him.
bstix t1_j3cwwnt wrote
To this day, "snild" means "with ease".
Being "rådsnild" means being able to come up with solutions with ease.
The quickness is implied in the context of coming up with advice. Doing it right but slowly, wouldn't be with ease.
Just like "can you walk from A to B in one day?" "With ease" Would imply that the person is faster than that.
Very-Fishy t1_j3d3fud wrote
I like that explanation, thanks :-)
CYBORBCHICKEN t1_j3dadd7 wrote
Almost named my son Thorbjorn
thatlastrock t1_j3bsgq2 wrote
Damn it! I didn't have Ragnarok Begins on my 2023 bingo card.
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foospork t1_j3choxo wrote
The site is near Hune, a village near Blokhus, a beach resort town in NW Denmark.
Hune has a really nice sculpture garden. Every year they build a huge sand sculpture. Yes, it’s a bit of a tourist trap, but it’s a really nice tourist trap.
If you should ever find yourself near Blokhus or Løkken, I recommend taking a couple of hours away from the beach and check out the artwork.
LuKazu t1_j3cjf7e wrote
Went camping in Jylland with my brothers and grandpa. Went to so many museums and the sculpture garden. Definitely tourist trap as you say, but it was a nice change from the drabness of being stuck on Falster lmao. Miss those times
Admiral_Thel t1_j3blrrk wrote
Not everything Scandinavian in the era of Viking activity was actually Viking.
bstix t1_j3bo203 wrote
This one seems to be a similar design as the ones found elsewhere.
Towards the end of the Viking period, the King erected several large military strongholds which appears to have only existed briefly.
This could be one of those.
FrozenToonies t1_j3bnw31 wrote
Absolutely. The North African invasion in 1150 and the Northern Isles counter-invasion in 1180 of what’s now southern Norway really turned the tide of the Viking expansion and changed the narrative.
fuckfuckfuck66 t1_j3dvliy wrote
Do you have more info on those events/periods?
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AngryCrawdad t1_j3egra3 wrote
TFW you go on reddit and learn about the biggest viking discovery in 10 years... Happening 30 minutes from where you live.
Devlos00 t1_j3el66b wrote
I wonder if you can visit or if its closed to public
aZamaryk t1_j3eczhq wrote
It was my dream to be an archeologist when I was young and I regret not following thru with that. This is an awesome find.
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Nixeris t1_j3ec7tp wrote
A "Thing" is a type of germanic/viking governing assembly.
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Iwanderandiamlost t1_j3ebman wrote
Shocking! Thats solo far from where they lived!
pinkysegun t1_j3eck1d wrote
Viking Hall? As the hall used by sea travelers or another misuse of the term viking?
IndieComic-Man t1_j3cyrxk wrote
He was unearthed by his descendant Arsenio.
Very-Fishy t1_j3bjvqh wrote
For anyone interested, the name of the father mentioned on the runestone (Runulv den Rådsnilde) means "Rune-wolf the good/fast advisor".
Of his sons names, "Thorkild" ("helmet or cauldron of Thor") and "Thorbjørn" ("Bear of Thor") are still fairly commonly used, while “Hove" (uncertain meaning) has all but disappeared (as has Runulv).