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Felielf t1_j2584dm wrote
Do you mind me asking on how can one start the path to digital forensics? I’ve always been a bit curious about the field while working on IT and I feel like I need the challenges that it could provide.
blkrfl556 t1_j25iigc wrote
Get in touch with your local law enforcement agency. I’m a detective. It falls under that umbrella
SMFD21 t1_j26yb68 wrote
There's a lot of stuff you can do in digital forensics, all you need is a degree in the IT field.
NerdWhoLikesTrees t1_j27ccdh wrote
I hope someone else can provide more info or correct me, but the Digital Forensics jobs I saw posted with my state police did not pay well... Just be thorough in your research!
maisonhall t1_j27guzj wrote
Assuming US scenario—state crime labs have digital forensic units, which generally train up moderately technically familiar folks into forensic examiners. As previously noted, pay is generally far undervalued—the pro is that they do the training portion. Counties and large municipalities have also started to establish their own labs to reduce backlog.
In general, look on governmentjobs, and expect 6mo+ for background check (and often polygraph), and then a year of training.
iamriptide t1_j26h7xm wrote
What really amazes me is how much police can pull from car computers. I am an attorney and once went to a training about all the phone data that can be pulled after someone connects their car to the Bluetooth.
blkrfl556 t1_j2701ov wrote
Not just that, but location data from the vehicle (if connected to car play, android auto or on star type services) and a bunch of other data. It’s amazing. We actually used that program for the first time earlier this year. A couple of our guys went to the training.
Supposedly it would also give a call log, searched locations, messages that came through and others. It’s getting to where we are finally catching up to technology lol
iamriptide t1_j273sp9 wrote
Oh, you’ll never catch up. If the weird cocaine submarines have taught us anything, it’s that.
lil_fermatOG t1_j28r94f wrote
True that, you at most catching up with the technology regular folks use, with enough knowledge you can become VERY hard to trace just think about all these hacker groups - some are going as far as disrupting national infrastructures and still are very hard to catch, technology advances both ways always :)
brizzodaizzo t1_j25sqx5 wrote
I appreciate your comment. But I’d like to clarify that this article stated that Apple officials “unlocked her phone“. It stated nothing about handing over iCloud data. Huge difference.
I think this raises the question amongst many security analysts, “how“ is Apple brute forcing an iPhone pass code? This is supposed to be the encryption key to the entire device. Without it, everything behind the encryption is just gibberish. Does Apple have a master encryption key? Can the phone actually be brute forced.
Several years ago we were led to believe that federal officials could not even brute force iPhones, and even asked Apple for help, when Apple infamously refused.
I think the big question here is, what’s really going on?
BCKDal t1_j25wo1a wrote
Or maybe the person who wrote this poorly worded tweet didn’t know what they were saying.
brizzodaizzo t1_j260dov wrote
I vote, yes, on this being what “actually” happened. Have an upvote👍🏻
zombiepete t1_j260evg wrote
This is the far more likely scenario in my mind.
zvckp t1_j270tet wrote
This is very much possible ( based on my experience interacting with people daily in India).
mrhobbles t1_j26b3cs wrote
I think the tweet and the article are misinformed. As you stated, Apple has said many times in the past that they don’t have the capability to unlock phones, and refuse to develop the capability to. When a subpoena is provided Apple provides any requested data from iCloud backups - if they have them.
Tim Cook is famously on the record as saying that he considers it a breach of civil liberties, as well as a massive compromise of the iPhones security to develop such ability. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/22/tim-cook-apple-refusal-unlock-iphone-fbi-civil-liberties
He has historically shown himself to be a man of principle - there hasn’t been anything to say that his stance has changed. If anything Apple’s recent push on Privacy and Security just reinforces this (See the new Lockdown mode).
That’s not to say iPhone unlocks aren’t possible - they are, the most famous tool being one provided by Israeli security company Cellebrite. However depending on the device this either works by exploiting bugs and zero days, or by brute forcing.
But to say Apple came and unlocked the device I firmly don’t believe. They are simply misinformed in my opinion. I think it’s more likely they provided the data from iCloud backups and the police being non-technically minded made an incorrect statement.
brizzodaizzo t1_j26bjh0 wrote
I couldn’t agree more
AzettImpa t1_j285tju wrote
> He has historically shown himself to be a man of principle - there hasn’t been anything to say that his stance has changed.
You mean the man who spends billions for lobbying in China, who is the chairman of an elite Chinese university advisory board and who has refused to comment on the protests in China, quite the opposite, who has made it impossible for Chinese protesters to share propaganda against the government?
More like a spineless businessman with the principle of “profit first.”
blkrfl556 t1_j262opr wrote
I did answer this… it is possible to brute force the passcode… it’s the same way we do it daily… it’s not just gibberish. There is no ‘master encryption key’ the phone is for a lack of better words ‘hacked’ and all the data can be retrieved. When the devices are brute forced, it basically tries a string of passwords (sometimes taking weeks to months) trying different combos. Every time I tries 2 that aren’t successful, it erases the “failed attempts” from the device meaning every 2 attempts it just starts over as if there were no failed passcodes. If we aren’t dumping the data, you can still brute into the device and unlock it. Just takes time and patience.
Truly_Unending_ t1_j265qeq wrote
How do you get past the 10 failed passcode attempts erasing all data on iPhone feature?
PerpetuallyOffline t1_j2665qy wrote
You have to turn that on manually. Most users never do.
Truly_Unending_ t1_j267nq2 wrote
Yeah but I made that comment assuming he was trying to break into a phone that has it turned on. I always have it turned on on my phone personally.
YangaSF t1_j26lkr8 wrote
If it resets the “two failed attempts” flag, it will never reach a 10th attempt no?
blkrfl556 t1_j2707mh wrote
We see phones with that all the time. Like I said, it sends a code to the device after 2 attempts and basically tells the computer of the device to erase the attempts, meaning the phone always thinks it’s either the first or second attempt.
Truly_Unending_ t1_j285qqb wrote
Good to know. I hope Apple builds a way to combat this sometime soon.
blkrfl556 t1_j28sw6u wrote
You might. Depending on the case, we don’t lol. But like I said, Apples security and encryption is why we dislike working with the phones, but the same reason all of us own one lol. If people knew how easy android was… everyone would own a iPhone.
brizzodaizzo t1_j2667zm wrote
I believe this option is off by default. The user has to turn it on.
Truly_Unending_ t1_j267oqb wrote
Yeah but I made that comment assuming he was trying to break into a phone that has it turned on. I always have it turned on on my phone personally.
mahnkee t1_j282sxa wrote
You repetitively clone the phone and button mash programmatically. When the timeout is too large, wipe and reclone. Have parallel targets. This is how the Israeli company does it, the contractor the FBI used to crack the San Bernardino shooters’ iPhones.
Truly_Unending_ t1_j285ud5 wrote
Good to know. Hope Apple builds a way to combat this disgusting state sponsored anti privacy tactic very soon.
brizzodaizzo t1_j264kl7 wrote
Guessing that, this, is still the limitation?
blkrfl556 t1_j270ekl wrote
I’ve seen it take a 6 passcode minutes and a 6 passcode take months. It just depends. Sometimes we get lucky with it. All depends on how many attempts it has to make to crack it
brizzodaizzo t1_j271yn7 wrote
What about people that turn on the “erase iPhone after 10 failed passcode attempts” option in settings. Would figure this would make things tuff for u guys.
flambic t1_j277xov wrote
There have been bugs in the attempt-counting code, exploitable by GrayKey.
Also, iPhone X & before have a boot ROM bug letting you DFU unsigned payloads, but that doesn't help get the key for flash encryption.
Neither of these techniques seem like something Apple would use.
AnOriginalName2021 t1_j29yxzp wrote
Apple can remove an iCloud lock from a device. After that lock is removed you should be able to change the password.
Aashishkebab t1_j275vx4 wrote
>hate working with them
You hate privacy?
blkrfl556 t1_j28t27x wrote
No… hate cracking iPhones, love owning iPhones.
LT_Shobs t1_j28gtnk wrote
When you ever attempt to crack an iPhone do you ever just feel frustrated and just snap?
blkrfl556 t1_j28srtz wrote
Not really. It just takes time sometimes. Like I posted, some are easier than others. Some are quick, some take months. Very seldom do we have one it won’t crack.
dalahnar_kohlyn t1_j28sarq wrote
I remember cops were making a big deal about being able to unlock iPhones for cases an Apple stood by the right to privacy
blkrfl556 t1_j28skj4 wrote
Our method still works. We still unlock them daily.
patpossibly t1_j243a5j wrote
It depends what kind of unlock we’re talking about.
Activation Lock removal? Yes it can be done using a death certificate but the device has to be wiped and it grants zero access to the existing data on the device. It simply means the phone can be activated & signed into by anyone else after wiping it.
iCloud backups without the new advanced data protection feature can be obtained by law enforcement, AFAIK Apple does cooperate. Which is more of a reason to enable this new security feature.
Apple cannot however unlock the local contents of a phone with a passcode. People ask for this all the time, there simply isn’t a backdoor for this and it’s by design. The only thing anyone at apple can do without the passcode is erase the device. Sure, technically you can try a few guesses, but the phone will eventually disable itself (at first for a specified time period, then eventually permanently until it’s erased) and I promise you there is nothing anyone at apple can do. At this point the only hope is that someone had this customer’s Apple ID & password or are an existing legacy contact, which had to have been set up by the user in question. I don’t believe apple allows access to an iCloud account even if it’s a death and family members are requesting access, unless it’s law enforcement asking for it and I’m sure they need some sort of a warrant. But just saying “hey my relative died” does not get you access into their account, at all.
Kaisah16 t1_j24doow wrote
What is the new security feature you speak of
chas66 t1_j24spt0 wrote
>new advanced data protection feature
Tchiiko t1_j25v3i2 wrote
Not available in France yet 😞
working-acct t1_j25x30h wrote
US only atm, as is with many "features" like Apple Fitness.
Funny bc the whole world is paying through the nose for iPhones while US users always get new features first.
AustinSA907 t1_j25xu2x wrote
It’s because of lack of consumer protections, not any homerism. If they could shaft people in the developed world for less, they’d move there too.
Also, the US isn’t the cheapest place for Apple products (at least in the recent future, no idea post-current events) Hong Kong is.
oldsiteaccount t1_j27hm2v wrote
Do Hong Kong products work the same as the US ones?
working-acct t1_j25z5c0 wrote
Well Brazil and Italy have fined Apple for not including chargers (while America hasn't) so they clearly care about consumers and your theory ain't valid.
Cool to know about HK but they're the exception. Rest of the world is still paying higher prices eg Europe and in the case of Brazil, Turkey and India it can be up to double. Maybe there are valid reasons for it but from the point of the average iPhone user in these countries it has got to suck. Paying double and you don't even get new features first.
AustinSA907 t1_j25zlti wrote
That proves my point? Developed countries with more consumer protections get features slower. The USA is unique in being developed and not having strong consumer protections.
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whackylabs t1_j259oxe wrote
Remember when you could just slide to unlock an iPhone and nobody cared?
elislider t1_j25hm3s wrote
Remember when the phone had 10 apps and that was it? You couldn’t sync your life to the cloud or store tons of personal information on it. The worst you’d have on a phone was contacts and texts
SmellingSpace t1_j25mc18 wrote
Member when you phone didn’t have apps?
evasote t1_j25v1xc wrote
Remember the Newton?
Horace3210 t1_j25xzmd wrote
remember atoms that we are made of?
evasote t1_j2604lf wrote
I think that was Pre-Woz
knave-arrant t1_j25fcb5 wrote
Sure that’s great and all but what happens when your device with all your banking info/travel plans/email accounts are there at the fingertips of a thief? Then after they fraudulently use your accounts to take whatever you have electronically they wipe your phone and sell it. I’d rather have my shit locked down. Of course my wife has my passcode in case of emergencies.
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patpossibly t1_j2444yk wrote
I have doubts that actually happened. This might be a tweet over simplifying the situation. Those call records might have been in the iCloud backup.
Edit: I meant those chats and call records. Plus call records are also a carrier thing, that’s fairly easy for them to obtain.
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NuclearLunchDectcted t1_j247wip wrote
It's possible they wiped it and restored from a recent icloud backup. They could have had the account ordered unlocked by the court, or she could have had a sticky note with her icloud name and password somewhere that they found.
There isn't enough info to know.
bitman_moon t1_j24gcte wrote
No, they don't. After the death of a loved one, I emailed Tim Cook. He replied. Not possible. Since then, they introduced a feature to set contacts, who can unlock your phone after death. Doubt she setup for that. Apple does not unlock phones. I don't think they have a backdoor for that. Remember the FBI thing?
BogusMalone t1_j24lhf1 wrote
It’s called a legacy contact. I set up my children to have access in the event of my death.
mhmower t1_j24v3ex wrote
How does one set that up?
metroidmen t1_j24zkss wrote
Settings > Your Name > Password & Security > Legacy Contact
mhmower t1_j256qgt wrote
Thank you!
Davidclabarr t1_j27996k wrote
Lmao I just did this and the default message kinda sounds like I’m about to end it all ahah.
Had to send a follow up to say I was fine.
Rescan_cart t1_j24yqto wrote
I know a guy that does this sort of work. DM for details
rust-crate-helper t1_j25ifow wrote
Is “your guy” Cellebrite?
Rescan_cart t1_j28a0vp wrote
No, it was a joke
vavyxray t1_j26z74q wrote
You can just email Tim Cook? Or you had to escalate customer service?
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music3k t1_j270tiy wrote
This tweet is poorly written, and my uninformed guess, is that the phone was unlocked with another unlocked Apple device, ie a macbook or watch.
Or its just straight up wrong.
PoetryRadiant6278 t1_j25nuj9 wrote
The FBI is American, this case is in India, where the laws are significantly different. It’s entirely possible-without having an in depth knowledge on the matter-that encryption standards are mandated to be different in India, or companies are mandated to be able to unlock their devices if required by LE.
tubezninja t1_j25q33l wrote
The on-device encryption standard for iOS devices in India are no different from the ones anywhere else. If the OS is up to date, and the phone is locked with an unknown passcode, then Apple can’t get into it, in the U.S., India, anywhere.
Having said this: For now, it IS possible in India for Apple to obtain any data backed up in iCloud, if law enforcement follows whatever legal procedures are in place. Advantaged Data Protection (in which Apple “throws away” its copy of the encryption key), is not a feature that exists there yet. This is probably what they’re referring to here.
Crack_uv_N0on t1_j24gq59 wrote
Apple is very strict about whether it will comply. See the below link. I believe what you are looking for is under II B.
Legal Process Guidelines - Apple https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf
It appears that Apple is more narrow in what it will comply with than other sources, such as FB.
coopy1000 t1_j25a8il wrote
These guidelines aren't any use in this case as it happened in India not the US.
PoetryRadiant6278 t1_j25nmp1 wrote
This.
Apple has certain rules in place, but they also have to comply with local law if they wish to sell devices in that country.
Much like them being forced to move Chinese user data to Chinese servers under the control of government workers. Now this doesn’t mean they can instantly access all user data because that’s not how encryption works, but it’s an example of them complying by force with local law.
brizzodaizzo t1_j25tqlc wrote
But we’re not talking about handing over user iCloud data here. We’re talking about brute forcing open a iPhone passcode (user encryption key) by Apple officials. Or worse, yet, a master encryption key held only by Apple. The article states, “Apple officials unlock iPhone”.
Even US federal official several years ago, could not brute force an iPhone, and infamously asked Apple for help. Apple refused.
PoetryRadiant6278 t1_j261zag wrote
Apple refusing and Apple being able to do something are two different things, although I think in that case the FBI were ultimately able to brute force the phone in question.
brizzodaizzo t1_j262jid wrote
Hackers right now…
“So ur saying there’s a chance…”. 🤣
PoetryRadiant6278 t1_j263uqm wrote
I mean Pegasus is an ongoing no click vulnerability within iPhone, it stands to reason there are other professional companies with the ability(and crucially desire) to build solutions that can break iPhone encryption, likely due to architectural/software flaws that cryptographic ones.
brizzodaizzo t1_j26571c wrote
Very true
Crack_uv_N0on t1_j25sf5z wrote
It went right past me that this was not in the US.
outside the US — legal guidelines
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-outside-us.pdf
brizzodaizzo t1_j25tavx wrote
However, we aren’t talking about handing over iCloud data here. The article specifically stated that “Apple officials unlocked her iPhone device“.
The iPhone pass code is the encryption key to the entire device. Only the end-user is supposed to be able to input and know it. iPhones are notoriously hard to brute force with pass code guessers. Almost damn near impossible. Even US federal officials asked Apple for help several years ago, and Apple infamously refused.
However, if this article is true, it implies that there is a back door to iOS devices. Hackers will be all over this shit, if true.
Falcondor07 t1_j24897t wrote
I’m not sure but I don’t think Apple does that, they won’t do it even if the FBI asks for it just because they literally can’t, there’s no back door in iOS
PoetryRadiant6278 t1_j25nok3 wrote
This is in India not the US, the laws are very different.
Falcondor07 t1_j26rlmm wrote
Imagine you make a very secure software that no one can open except the person with a password for it, there’s literally nothing you can do to open it except entering the password, would the features of the software suddenly change when you switch countries? No.
It doesn’t depend on the law, it’s just that Apple can’t open a phone without a password, they don’t have a master key.
vewfndr t1_j2603hd wrote
This isn't about the law (which Apple will always be compelled to follow.) It's about their capability. Apple doesn't have some secret key. Either this tweet is terribly worded or is missing some key info.
TitusImmortalis t1_j26d2gw wrote
"Officials of Apple Company" sounds fake.
agneev t1_j27fjbn wrote
This is ANI, the mouthpiece of the government in power. They also hire terrible writers as evident.
TitusImmortalis t1_j27h3cg wrote
Government controlled media? No way! /S
M98er t1_j2564a5 wrote
50-50 chances. Cops can’t openly say if they hacked into her iPhone. This is now a politically motivated investigation in India. If the center demands Apple will have to comply. (I think) Plus you know how system works.
Aashishkebab t1_j275xqr wrote
This sounds like bullshit. Apple cannot unlock your device.
RoRtornado t1_j27nclc wrote
Imaging believing in anonymity on internet
Plc-4-Mie-Haed t1_j27p2gn wrote
Apple Company president, Tim Apple, unlocked the phone in person, sources say
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isahilkumar OP t1_j27qhdd wrote
This Article will clear the doubt between iCloud access and passcode brute force by apple . Although this is a serious accusation and apple should come forward to clear things up.
null_check_failed t1_j288vxx wrote
That's Indian news channel. They even report aliens. They are puppets of goverment and rich businessman.
peacefulhectarez t1_j28bpc7 wrote
Probably the same officials of Apple Company that keep calling my grandma and asking for payment in gift cards.
brizzodaizzo t1_j25k309 wrote
But how? Apple has a back door? Waiting for a response from Apple. Genuinely curious.
I get this is in India. But technically, how?
tubezninja t1_j25r4go wrote
- You can’t always believe what law enforcement states publicly. It could be a ruse to make potential suspects nervous. It could also be the person putting out that info is misinformed about how the data was obtained.
- The device could have had an easy to guess passcode. Or the iOS version was out of date and a zero-day exploit was used to get in. In which case it’s unlikely Apple was the one doing the unlocking (see #1).
- Apple CAN access iCloud data backups and provide that to law enforcement if they follow legal procedures (unless Advanced data protection is activated… and that feature isn’t even available yet in india where OP is based). iCloud backups can contain photos, documents, data that apps have stored, e-mails, and copies of text messages.
- Some info, like broad location data, call logs and (possibly) any cached, non-iMessage SMS texts, can be obtained by the cellular network provider, and Apple has no say in that (again, see #1)
My question: I don’t know anything about this case, but, unless the victim’s mother and sister are also missing, why didn’t they just get copies of those chats and logs from the mother and sister’s phones?
Edit: she committed suicide, and the mother apparently claims her co-star on the show she was working on aided in the suicide. Which only further reinforces my question here. It seems like the police claim to have broken into an iPhone to obtain data they could’ve more easily gotten elsewhere, which seems awful fishy.
brizzodaizzo t1_j25rnr8 wrote
All good replies here👍🏻. But the article did technically state that Apple officials “unlocked her phone”. Mentioned nothing about handing over iCloud data. These are two different things in their entirety.
You raise some valid points. But in either case, doesn’t this put Apple Inc. in a predicament that somebody from Apple corporate would need to come out and clarify some things?
This probably has a lot of security analysts around the world, saying, “wait, hold on a minute.!”
tubezninja t1_j25utlj wrote
Whether Apple needs to say anything depends on who you want to believe. Who here is more credible: A multi billion dollar company who had the FBI sue them to get into an iPhone owned by domestic terrorists and they still told the FBI to go pound sand, or a police department on another continent with unknown technical skill who has an agenda on account of being extremely pressured by the public to turn up some leads on the death of a famous actress, when they could’ve more easily pulled that data from other sources?
brizzodaizzo t1_j25u52e wrote
Hackers right now…
“Wait, how is Apple brute forcing passcodes on iOS devices?…”. (Keyboard sounds intensify).
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joranbaler t1_j27l25o wrote
Philosophically speaking no one wants their data privacy such as location be compromised.
But in practice it matters little unless you commit a crime.
XYRO47 t1_j27wlnw wrote
Apple Inc's officials unlocked late TV actor Tunisha Sharma's iPhone on Thursday as part of police investigation into the events that led to her death. "Officials of Apple Company came to Waliv Police Station today and unlocked her phone. We've received chats and calls of Tunisha with Sheezan’s mother and sister from the cell phone. Probe underway," said the police. Article
Gideon_Effect t1_j28kcon wrote
Not true
lauren_cs t1_j28oij6 wrote
Yes. They can be made to through the courts
BobbyABooey t1_j28pfm5 wrote
No
skizzums0 t1_j26tkzc wrote
I'm sure they're required to in some countries.
jorrylee t1_j254rbc wrote
A friend just had her iPhone stolen before Christmas. Within 30 minutes it was wiped from her Apple ID, not by her. Password was not reset. She had a weak passcode. Apple told her there are people who have the ability to wipe the phone and they’ve seen it before. I keep hearing it’s impossible, yet it happened to my friend. Even with the passcode, there would be emails about resetting the Apple ID password, and there wasn’t. She at least has a more secure passcode now.
Interesting-Dish8894 t1_j25qfbj wrote
Wiping is not the same as accessing information in a locked phone
jorrylee t1_j26ocr0 wrote
Yes, but I haven’t heard of the iCloud lock being removed like that.
tubezninja t1_j25u9sv wrote
She maye have been phished but someone claiming to be Apple. It’s a common thing for iPhone thefts.
jorrylee t1_j26o9jt wrote
So they call in pretending to be her, get the phone unlocked? That makes sense. They did it in just under thirty minutes. Not their first rodeo.
tubezninja t1_j26q50m wrote
They don't even need to call. There are services out there that thieves can use to send a text to a victim whose iPhone has been stolen (obviously, after they've replaced it or are using a temporary phone).
The text purports to be from Apple, saying "we've located your iPhone!" and then directs them to click a link to a fake web page asking for their Apple ID and password. Once the thieves have that, they can log into the real iCloud page and remove activation lock on the phone.
Your friend should change her iCloud password ASAP.
Here's an article that describes it in more detail.
In general, any time you misplace your phone or it's stolen, you should NEVER directly click on links sent to you via text message that claim to be from Apple. To try and track your phone, you should manually navigate to iCloud.com and log in that way.
SexySalamanders t1_j263cap wrote
So everything works fine.
You just said that the robbers wiped the data
This article claims the phone was unlocked and the data retrieved - which is not possible without advanced state of the art hacking software like pegasus or grayshift (If I remember correctly)
jorrylee t1_j26o3l4 wrote
They removed the phone from iCloud. That’s that part that I thought was impossible except for by Apple.
SexySalamanders t1_j28ujzz wrote
They couldn’t wipe it from iCloud, and if they did, apple 100% wouldn’t just tell you it’s possible
jorrylee t1_j29frfb wrote
How can it disappear from their device list? How can they get an email that find iPhone has been turned off? Apple Genius Bar was helping her track it and watched it disappear. It that different that removing it from iCloud/removing the iCloud lock?
coopy1000 t1_j25all8 wrote
This happened in India and NOT the United States of America. Just because Apple won't "unlock" a phone in the USA for the FBI does not mean they won't do it India for the Indian police. There is so much US defaultism in this thread it's terrifying.
brizzodaizzo t1_j25naal wrote
But… Apple states
As a result of these stronger protections that require data encryption, we are no longer able to use the data extraction process on an iPhone running iOS 8 or later.
If that’s true, then that would mean that India gets a “different” iOS 16 then other countries. Pretty big deal. Huge, even.
Or worse, Apple can back-door all devices, everywhere.
Apple has stated over and over that the encryption key to the device is the passcode alone.
If there is a “back door”. Is there an Apple universal master encryption key? Is this through brute force?
Denovanrex t1_j2403zl wrote
Could be on legal basis
mhmower t1_j24uy0u wrote
Wait, hold the iPhone! I thought that this was completely verboten. That mass shooting/terrorist attacked in California a few years back, the fbi was competing shut down, no?
isahilkumar OP t1_j240mqp wrote
But how, do they have iCloud access or what ? If yes, then it could be exploited.. If someone dies by suicide isn’t that right to protect the privacy of deceased. She was not a terrorist afterall
dskatter t1_j240s8u wrote
Apple can and will unlock accounts for next of kin with proof of death and such.
Denovanrex t1_j2411om wrote
Apple brought a new feature, advanced protection with end to end encryption, which users have responsibility to activate.
Tapfere1Kater t1_j25p3bx wrote
Well… it is not available in my Country (Germany) and quite some other Countries I heard.
tubezninja t1_j25qb4a wrote
It’s also not (yet) available in India, where OP’s post is taking place.
BestBodybuilder7329 t1_j24y1x3 wrote
Most likely account recovery. The family would know her email, and have access to her trusted phone number. This is they would need to start account recovery. Now they wait out recovery, reset the password and restore from a backup.
TheDunai t1_j25yabv wrote
I’d say if you murder someone you deserve it (while I don’t think this is true, Apple going and unlocking an iPhone). Or either if you die, is it concerning what the **** happens after your death? And please do not start ‘bUt My PrIvAcY’. If you die you don’t need it, if you kill, you don’t deserve it
Awkward-Life314 t1_j24hmnw wrote
yeah secretly apple sells all your data
blkrfl556 t1_j24q2mx wrote
Having done it before; apple will provide what is requested via superior court judge signed search warrant or court order. They require a court order or search warrant though. We’ve solved numerous cases from homicides to b&e based off some of the data provided by apple. However; I have never heard of apple coming to the agency and unlocking a device.
I will say, apple will only provide what’s requested, if they have it (location, email, demographics tied to account). They do not have access to iMessages, emails, calls, or information saved on the device. That’s where a second court order and a good forensics investigator comes in. We can hack into the device (under court order / search warrant or consent only) and get all the data from the device. Not something we go through apple for though.
I’ve yet to attempt one with the new encryption feature from ios16 though. I will say they are some of the hardest devices to crack. It’s why we hate working with them, but all own them lol