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Vertigo963 t1_j9uyals wrote

Reply to comment by DirectorBeneficial48 in So WTF is this BS? by suu-solan

Or maybe this person holds some misguided political beliefs but isn't an "asshole." We should be careful about judging others when we have very little information about them.

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IAmBizarroStormyAMA t1_j9v08nk wrote

Sometimes peoples’ beliefs are easy to misguide because they’re assholes

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k0unitX t1_j9vd8kp wrote

The Nazis said the same thing

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coladict t1_j9vqn80 wrote

Source: your anus

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k0unitX t1_j9wdci1 wrote

Do you know who also agreed with "Sometimes peoples’ beliefs are easy to misguide because they’re assholes"?

The guys who wanted to carpet bomb all of the middle east after 9/11.

Literal Nazis justifying killing the Jewish.

But sure, continue to think you're on the right side of history on this one. lmao

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coladict t1_j9xey9r wrote

"Nazis bad, therefore they believed this exact thing I'm against!"

The nazis believe in a natural hierarchy and that violating it in any way must be forbidden. No women above men, no gender non-conformity, no race being above their own, and of course they needed a scapegoat for all the evils of the world, and they chose the jews, because it's easy to co-opt the existing conspiracies about them and make up more.

None of that comes remotely close to:

> Sometimes peoples’ beliefs are easy to misguide because they’re assholes

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Jsmith0730 t1_j9v77m6 wrote

There’s plenty of info about them out there on social media. They’re definitely assholes.

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Vertigo963 t1_j9w1y7d wrote

There are a lot of possible responses, like urging humility and greater respect for others or pointing out we have no idea if the driver is borrowing a relative's car, but I would say the one I feel most strongly about is that when a person is criticizing or considering a political group as a whole, there is a moral obligation to address the group's views in toto rather than dismissing them for particular positions that may be wrong or weak. So, the sovereign citizen movement, while admittedly based in part on various types of bullshit, is also based in part on notions that are harder to dismiss, like the view that the U.S. federal government is dominated by corrupt elitists who have lost any sense of obligation to the citizenry. So I wouldn't dismiss them entirely, again, even though some of their views are bullshit.

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New_Examination_5605 t1_j9y0nwt wrote

They are driving an unregistered car around a busy area. That makes them an irresponsible whole. Then they’re trying to pass that off with the stupidest pseudo intellectual bullshit. Even if it’s someone just borrowing that car, they’re still driving an unmarked vehicle around, which is a crime. Are you defending the criminal who is putting everyone else at risk for no good reason?

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Vertigo963 t1_j9z0hi7 wrote

I agree that it's not good for some cars not to have license plates, but I don't view that as a moral imperative. No one is committing murder here.

Also, I have to note that illegal immigration leads to widespread violations of vehicle and traffic laws - are you equally enraged at those violations? My guess is most of the people piling on in this thread think those violations are unworthy of prosecution.

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New_Examination_5605 t1_j9zckqt wrote

That’s a bad comparison and you know it. People who claim to be sovereign citizens are invariably all anti-social morons. Enjoy your trolling.

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Vertigo963 t1_j9ziake wrote

I think it's a perfectly reasonable comparison, but happy to be convinced otherwise if you think there's an important distinction here. (I'm politely overlooking your unfounded accusation that I'm arguing in bad faith.)

To repeat, I think this thread is filled with hypocrites who believe that a "sovereign citizen" violating vehicle and traffic laws is worthy of condemnation because they've been told to think of of those people as right-wing and contemptible, but the (more common) case of an illegal immigrant violating vehicle and traffic laws is exempt from condemnation because illegal immigration isn't supposed to be criticized.

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