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mrk_is_pistol t1_j1ljcc2 wrote

Reply to comment by DirectorBeneficial48 in Why bus drivers should carry by jcnative

open carry states seem to handle it pretty decently. When you know the next person is probably strapped you approach the situation a little differently

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kulgan t1_j1okwvn wrote

Uhhh

>A 2022 analysis found that states with permitless carry laws saw a 22 percent increase in gun homicide for the three years following the law’s passage.

>A 2019 study found that right-to-carry laws were associated with a 29 percent increase in firearm workplace homicides.

There's a ton more there in the source.

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[deleted] t1_j1qdpsz wrote

  1. “Homicide” includes legal, self-defense killing, I hope you realize? Also, is 22% / 3 years significant? Sounds like a minor increase.
  2. I don’t care. Don’t beat the skulls of working class bus drivers if you don’t want them to defend themselves. You go on and side with the perpetrators of violent crime, I guess.
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kulgan t1_j1qgygg wrote

Spectacularly bad faith reading of my comment. Well done. Here's what I was responding to:

> open carry states seem to handle it pretty decently.

Go ahead and provide some data to support that any significant percentage of those homicide increases were "legal, self defense."

I am both against fighting bus drivers and deputizing anyone and everyone to execute people who do something that they decide is beyond the pale. Like you. I don't trust you to murder people at will if they offend you.

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mrk_is_pistol t1_j1r30to wrote

it’s not about murdering people that offend you or being a vigilante. It’s about knowing the next person has a weapon and will defend themselves if 6 ignorant fucks try to harm you while you’re doing your job. It’s called a deterrent. You’re a keyboard warrior/activist that expects the judicial system to carry out justice when it’s historically awful.

Fucking aktually head ass, let me google these statistics I don’t know dick about to make a point that’s moot.

The real question should be why did this black, minority bus driver feel the need to carry a weapon while doing his job, which by the way is a public service offered to people.

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kulgan t1_j1r5ef3 wrote

The judicial system is historically awful. So is vigilante justice. Are we talking about this one instance or the idea that open carry states have significant increases in killings after they change their laws? I disagree with idea that "open carry states seem to handle it pretty decently." I am against people being killed.

I don't really have an opinion on this bus situation other than that it looks bad. Both the woman and the bus driver had what looked like opportunities to stop the fight and de-escalate. The guy pulled the woman off the bus driver (after waiting too long) and then tried to de-escalate, and defended himself without looking like he was trying to deal out punishment. I don't know what happened before or after. Was this the bus driver who shot the people running away from him?

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[deleted] t1_j1qhkp9 wrote

Me asking “Is 22% / 3 years significant? Sounds like a minor increase” is a spectacularly bad faith reading of you sharing those exact stats…

Got it.

Don’t quit your day job.

Edit: The only person acting in bad faith is you claiming that I want to “murder people who hurt my feelings”. That is such a childish, braindead comment.

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kulgan t1_j1qmbnr wrote

22% is significant, yes. It's not inflation, we don't expect it to go up every year.

I didn't say anything about hurting your feelings.

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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j20bndq wrote

They don't. Here are the states with the highest violent crime rates since 2020

Alaska

New Mexico

Tennessee

Arkansas

Arizona

Louisiana

Missouri

South Carolina

South Dakota

Michigan

With the exception of city and locale ordinances, every single one of them has open carry without a permit for handguns except South Carolina, which requires a permit. Every single one of them also has open carry without a permit for long guns except Tennessee, which permits them only while hunting.

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