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frankybling t1_jdbfsnp wrote

so I’ve been at the other end of this… I now have custody of my kids… DCF pretty much investigated and then decided their mom wasn’t working out. It was not a good execution of their powers. It was very traumatic for our kids. I’m not saying the kids should have stayed with her but the way they went about the process was unnecessarily traumatic for the children involved with it. I got a call and was told I had 20 minutes or they would be placed in temporary foster care… I lived an hour away and it was 9PM on a Thursday night. I was able to keep things a little sane by explaining that I was on my way forthwith and our kids hung around their grandparents’ house for a few hours… but the “no knock” style of uprooting them has had lasting effects… they’re doing ok now, and I understand why DCF uses their power to protect them but it could have been handled differently.

Edit-there was a lot of drama and police stuff too, but alls well in my case

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dazzlingupstairz OP t1_jdbgyia wrote

I mean. This case might be different, the couple is married too.

I understand imminent danger. I understand that it's better to have alive children than children murdered by their parents.

But this seems insane.

The aunt of the father tweeted this (cited in the articles, not just a random person on twitter).

  • Wednesday updates: My nephew and his wife were able to read why CPS felt that the boys were in "imminent danger" (CPS says that has to be believed to do the child extraction). And remember, this is after the pediatrician vouched for them, and the hospital released the baby.

  • There were 3 reasons listed:

    1. "Living in a neighborhood with not enough children." This is straight up punishing parents for not being rich. My nephew and his wife chose a "poor" neighborhood because they are trying to save up for a house, and it was convenient to their work.
    1. "The mother rolled her eyes when asked a question." Want to know what the question was? Here you go: "How often does your husband neglect his children?" I mean... I would have 100% rolled my eyes. What a manipulative thing to ask.
    1. The last "evidence" was that "the mother cried when they wanted to give the baby another blood test." CPS said, "Her crying indicated that she was guilty." Keep in mind, they had already done 12 tests on the baby! And he was distressed by it!

If even a fraction of that is true, then what the fuck?

Also, this.

  • Something you might be interested to know: As soon as the judge ruled against DCF, DCF promptly asked for a gag order against any discussion of the case with the media. But their request for a gag order was denied (except for the actual court records).

What the fuck?

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NoMoLerking t1_jdcfduh wrote

>How often does your husband neglect his children?

LOL. No questions about when he stopped beating them? Yeah, I’d have rolled my eyes too.

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mrlolloran t1_jdcrj50 wrote

Jesus Fucking Christ! (Yes I think the situation calls for it to be spelled all the way out)

They’re lucky nobody has come in there with a gun saying shit like you got 20 minutes or they’re in foster care! I don’t even have kids and the empathetic shiver that just went down my spine was insane. Very sorry you went through that. How can they even say they care about the kids when they do that?

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dazzlingupstairz OP t1_jdbd6hr wrote

Without paywall

Video of the a cop and some social workers showing up at 1:00 AM on a Saturday.. Then playing stupid and saying they can't do anything until Monday. Frankly, if you're doing this stuff, a judge needs to be available 24/7 365. An adult can spend 2 days in county jail without it being completely traumatic, but with kids? And to make it so obvious you're trying to avoid having to get a court order?

DCF is just saying whatever they want, no records, no nothing? And the cop says "welp, DCF verbalized it". This seems insane. People win lawsuits for unlawful searches all of the time, but the state can take your kids with no due process on the flimsiest of evidence. If "Living in a neighborhood with not enough children." is one of the reasons DCF used as justification for this, then that's fucking insane. And wrong.

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dazzlingupstairz OP t1_jdbehph wrote

From the globe article.

>- In the Waltham family’s case, child welfare workers had a full business day to obtain a court order before they arrived at the home, in the middle of the night. And still they did not seek one.

>- Sabey and Perkins have been sharing their story publicly to bring attention to what they called a flawed process. After the case workers took the children into custody, they later agreed that weekend to place the boys in the care of their paternal grandparents. But Sabey called for greater oversight, saying there was no need for case workers and police officers to take their children in the first place.

It seems like getting a court order for removing a child isn't the norm? Tufts doc (Newton Wellesley) noticed a rib fracture. Social worker didn't like the answers. No court order needed, even if everything is discovered on a Thursday.

Reason Article

Reason has done great stuff on civil asset forfeiture too.

>- After an exhausting gamut of interviews and after DCF workers surveyed Sabey and Perkins' apartment—where no concerns were found—the couple and their children were sent home on July 14 with a DCF safety plan, assuming their ordeal was over.

>- Instead, DCF came to their house in the middle of the night—around 1:00 a.m.—and demanded custody of the children, despite having no court documents approving removal. "It seems everything was deliberately timed to avoid having to get a court order and avoid proving to a judge that the children were in imminent danger," Perkins later wrote. "Their laziness came at the cost of our children's sense of security."

>- While Perkins' parents, who had flown to Boston, were eventually granted temporary custody of the children, it still took nearly a month for Sabey and Perkins to regain full custody of their children. According to the Post, the couple spent over $50,000 in legal fees fighting to convince the state to return their children. They will likely have to spend much more to strike from the record the couple's "supported allegation of child abuse."

July 14 was a Thursday. They should have been able to get a court order, right? Most people don't have $50,000 lying around. Does DCF operate extrajudicialy?

WaPo article

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mehkindaok t1_jdd7xtf wrote

The keep "families" together at any cost attitude is the main reason why we'll never be able to eradicate career poverty.

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dazzlingupstairz OP t1_jddp1r2 wrote

?

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mehkindaok t1_jdec256 wrote

You quite literally have to hack your kids to pieces in order to have them taken away meaning all the kinds who are nothing but human ATMs to their "parents" do not stand a chance.

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