Submitted by BlankVerse t3_zed4td in massachusetts
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yairof t1_iz6mqwe wrote
Not ironically. By design. This is the intended outcome.
BigE1263 t1_iz6orhg wrote
I don’t think you understand energy efficiency. If you’re producing more power than you need, then prices should be going down and vice versa. Locally, Massachusetts doesn’t produce enough power to fit this theory and thus because of that, prices are higher because electricity efficiency is low.
yairof t1_iz6swdx wrote
You're correct. I mistakenly gave my 2 cents without reading correctly the article. Apologies.
PinPlastic9980 t1_iz7d109 wrote
there is a baseline cost to generating and supplying that energy; the more efficient the consumers are the higher the price will go per kw/h because you still need to pay labor.
not strictly saying we're in the situation just saying its possible
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Just_trying444 t1_iz5r2tj wrote
I love living in a place where you see positive news.
warlocc_ t1_iz6orow wrote
Makes a person wonder why everyone is so angry all the time in this sub.
Just_trying444 t1_iz6peo6 wrote
Just moved from Utah so it's a nice change
DatSlammedMX5 t1_iz8fx9o wrote
Because the cost of living is through the roof
ButterAndPaint t1_iz9gdik wrote
Maybe because energy costs are up like 65%?
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SeaworthinessLeft88 t1_iz61qu5 wrote
Without reading the article, it’s probably due to a combination of state incentives for energy efficiency and energy being expensive AF here.
dcgrey t1_iz7n2kq wrote
Looks like that why the org added categories in its rankings for equity...having energy be expensive is great at increasing efficiency but stinks for people who can't afford it.
nopeontus253 t1_iz665v2 wrote
I believe it for Massachusetts, but doesn’t CA regularly have brownouts
jabbanobada t1_iz7a2pn wrote
No, CA recently got in the news because they avoided a brownout despite historically high consumption in a heat wave.
Texas regularly has brownouts.
BlankVerse OP t1_iz66f38 wrote
No.
nopeontus253 t1_iz6guyy wrote
BlankVerse OP t1_iz6hrw4 wrote
Obsolete news!
> California Warns of Possible Summer Blackouts as Power Runs Low
There were only small isolated blackouts during this summer heat wave because Californians conserved electricity because of the Flex Alert warnings.
Like I said: "NO!"
nopeontus253 t1_iz6thux wrote
Weird that a state that that required people to lower electricity consumption while also importing a huge amount of its yearly energy consumption from nearby states is deemed the most energy efficient when they can’t even produce enough electricity to sustain their own infrastructure.
In 2021 California’s energy grid generated a sum total of 194,127 GWh and imported 83,636 GWh. That means a whopping 30.11% of the electricity used by California is imported from neighboring states. I’m sorry but a state that can only produce 70% of its required annual power is only efficient if you twist statistics.
Edit for link to energy consumption and production from California government site https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2021-total-system-electric-generation
jabbanobada t1_iz7ahx4 wrote
The request to reduce consumption was voluntary. It’s something called being a member of a community, putting the thermostat at 80 one day a year so no one goes without.
Why is it bad that CA pays their hard earned money for a huge amount of energy from hydroelectric power located in sparcely populated areas just out of state?
You are a man arguing for the apocalypse using pure bad faith.
nopeontus253 t1_iz8nd90 wrote
What a blatant straw man. Because I point out the article claiming they are energy efficient is misleading Im arguing for the apocalypse? What a joke.
If California actually wants to be “efficient” they need to further develop their electrical grid so that they can actually be self sustaining. Then maybe they can turn their noses up at everyone else and claim to be the most “energy efficient state.”
jabbanobada t1_iz9fbk9 wrote
Arguing for increasing usage of fossil fuels is arguing for the apocalypse. It really is that simple.
nopeontus253 t1_iza4toa wrote
At what point did I ever argue for an increase in fossil fuel use?
jabbanobada t1_izab3um wrote
You come here trashing Massachusetts for high energy prices and posting outdated and misleading articles suggesting that California has brownouts regularly (they don't, that's Texas), while ignoring the consistently poorer performance of lower cost fossil-fuel heavy red states. It's pretty clear from that what your agenda is. If I'm wrong, please clarify what it is you want to accomplish by tarring the reputations of two states doing the most to prevent the apocalypse.
nopeontus253 t1_izauclz wrote
You should go back and reread what I’ve said, because I think you’re misunderstanding. At no point did I ever bring up any other state. The only time I mentioned Massachusetts (which is where I am from!) was in the first comment where I said I BELIEVE the statement that it is one of the most energy efficient states.
I did not post misleading articles, I provided multiple credited sources from both sides of the political spectrum (not that it should even matter) and I referenced California’s own government statistics for their energy output and consumption.
I never once brought up anything about “lower cost fossil-fuels” I stated that California is not efficient because they cannot support their own infrastructure with their current power grid without importing from other states. The onus of how they decide to remedy that, whether it’s increasing the amount of renewable energy they generate or otherwise is up to them.
You’re literally making things up that I didn’t say to argue with.
Hot-Cry920 t1_iz7308n wrote
Yes
mullethunter111 t1_iz7stek wrote
Blackouts coming to a town near you!
PresidentBush2 t1_iz7xvzn wrote
No one’s an environmentalist in a power outage
BigE1263 t1_iz6fxbn wrote
Ironically both places have the highest electrical prices in the country.