HumbleCamel9022 OP t1_j2ei06m wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:48 PM

Reply to comment by Chuck710Taylor in Why people act like james cameron is a great filmmaker because his movie gross well at Box-office while also hating directors like Michael bay who do the exact same thing ? by HumbleCamel9022

The first one did but that aside what else do these movie accomplished ? Nothing

TheFezig t1_j2eigeo wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:51 PM

Your mistake is thinking that the Avatar movies have anything to do with why people call him a great filmmaker.

P0J0 t1_j2epod1 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:39 PM

That's probably what I am failing on too. I guess I will watch his earlier stuff.

TheFezig t1_j2ev363 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 7:16 PM

Terminator, Aliens, and Terminator 2 are all excellent. The Abyss, True Lies, and Titanic are all great if you like the type of movies they are.

Ionlypostwhenstoned0 t1_j2eijuf wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:51 PM

I don’t even like Avatar but I have to ask…what do you expect them to achieve beyond what they’re made for…entertainment.

Cameron is a legend because of his previous films AND because he’s a high grosser. Bay has never achieved anything on the same level.

HumbleCamel9022 OP t1_j2ejzgr wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:01 PM

>I don’t even like Avatar but I have to ask…what do you expect them to achieve beyond what they’re made for…entertainment

So just like Michael bay's transformers which redditors like to bash

I have no problem with a filmmaker who set out to Gross as much as possible at Box-office but only problem with it is when people think that director is among the greatest of all time because of it

Ionlypostwhenstoned0 t1_j2emeqt wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:17 PM

Well if you’re comparing Transformers to Avatar I’m not going to really argue, I don’t like either. Although with Transformers it’s because it has no discernible story and was a mess, Avatar had a pedestrian story but was very pretty.

But JC gets bashed on here for Avatar, or at least the movie does. JC isn’t a legend because of Avatar though, it’s for Aliens and Terminator 1 and 2 and basically influencing a generation of film makers with movies that were visually and narratively fantastic. Bay hadn’t done that.