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[deleted] t1_j6ldcwy wrote

It’s the woke era. It has killed the honesty that films can bring. Studios walk on egg shells hoping to not offend anyone.

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bazzbj t1_j6lntze wrote

and yet when “woke” films are made, the anti-woke crowd gets so offended that they review bomb it

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6o8c4i wrote

> that they review bomb it

Maybe those movies just suck? Or do you always blame bad reviews on 'people offended by it'?

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Arumhal t1_j6mempi wrote

>Studios walk on egg shells hoping to not offend anyone.

You sure about that? I keep seeing conservatives be offended practically every time they see minorities on screen.

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[deleted] t1_j6mu41v wrote

What does conservatives and minorities have to do with movies?

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6mxe8o wrote

Despite all the complaining about the "Woke era" you until relatively recent most minorities creatives are the ones who had walk on eggshells to not offended the studio.When you talk about honestly who are we talking about here because I feel what you describing is the fact if you not a guaranteed blockbuster you'll get taking out of cinema after three weeks.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6o894g wrote

None of this was brought up, why are you inserting it into an argument when nobody is talking about it?

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6o8l1f wrote

Why are replying to me and not the person I'm responding to who originally put the topic ofcourse.But my point is when it comes creative control this idea of no studio oversight has never existed the only thing that changed are factors that they care and don't care about.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6o8sex wrote

Because from a neutral perspective you are arguing against something nobody brought up.

You need to tone down your bias when having a discussion.

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6o944q wrote

So you can open a discussion with moaning about things being woke but if you respond to that you are the one showing bais.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6o9zai wrote

> Despite all the complaining about the "Woke era" you until relatively recent most minorities creatives are the ones who had walk on eggshells to not offended the studio.

This is the part that makes no sense and wasn't brought up, it is mindbogglingly wrong.

That is where your bias is hurting you, because this just isn't a real thing in the film industry.

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6oab5w wrote

I've enjoy listening to interviews with creatives behind the scenes who talked about compromises they had to make on certain subjects that are much more widespread now my point is he didn't have an opinion on it ten years ago.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6oajvu wrote

Do you have any examples to share?

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6ocr19 wrote

Spike Lee talked about it,David Simon (who is white but usually forces on race) who wrote the wire talked about how he only allowed to go to far with some of the race so not offend the white audaince members and I believe issa rea had similar issues getting her show made until it was on HBO because most studios were willing to make unless changes were made.

If I'm including ones that started production but were never made the Danny glover haitian revolution movie is a really interesting thing to read about.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6oegy5 wrote

You kind of proved my point here, minorities have not had any issue in the last 20-30 years telling their stories. There has been almost no pushback to that from studios, in fact minorities are far, far over-represented in film and TV compared to the national demographics.

Some white people have gotten pushback for trying to tell black stories, but does that really surprise you?

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Foxhound97_ t1_j6ogin7 wrote

I gave you an example from each decade and one of them is a white guy who had almost no black people critique his work negatively (although that's mostly because he's from a journalism background so he actually knows how to research properly).

I also don't think you understand what we're talking about I'm talking about writers and directors not actors.

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iamstephano t1_j6lqefc wrote

Bro what? Last year the Palme D'Or winner was Titane, probably one of the most controversial films to ever win the award.

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Tuxhorn t1_j6lrtt5 wrote

Was it that controversial? Or just fucking bonkers and weird.

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iamstephano t1_j6ls9ee wrote

A lot of people weren't happy that it won or that it was even in competition.

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6lmdl4 wrote

Lmao

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6o85i8 wrote

Great argument. Really persuasive.

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6od3cl wrote

Define woke and I’ll make a better argument

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6oe2zt wrote

> It’s the woke era.

Funny because the person you responded to already did that.

> Studios walk on egg shells hoping to not offend anyone.

So you had the definition, you just ignored it because you don't have a response.

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6oec30 wrote

Who are they trying not to offend?

What are the examples of them making a worse story in pursuit of a more “palatable” movie to this audience?

It wasn’t defined at all. “This thing is bad and that’s why things are bad” doesn’t define what “thing” is, only what it causes people to do

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6of1r6 wrote

> What are the examples of them making a worse story in pursuit of a more “palatable” movie to this audience?

Wait, seriously?

Oh boy...how many examples would you like?

Do I really have to bring up 'Velma' which did exactly that and failed horribly? Or I guess since we're talking about films how about the 2020 film 'The Hunt'?

Black Panther 2? Ghostbusters (2016)? They/Them? Nope?

Every Pixar film over the last few years?

Man there are HUNDREDS of examples, I'm barely scratching the surface.

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6ogcn9 wrote

Lots of projects fail, that’s normal. Never heard of the hunt. Not sure what black panther 2 and ghost busters have in common, unless you just…see the number of women go up and get mad?

Nope was merely okay, a bit too heady for me but I get what they were trying to say. Not sure what part of it was woke tho, seemed self-indulgent story about the nature of filmmaking and entertainment. The type of stuff people in the industry enjoy more than normal people do

Like, given the earlier definition, what does a “non-woke” Nope look like? Or black panther 2? Specifically what would you change.

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Knife2MeetYouToo t1_j6ohubp wrote

> Lots of projects fail, that’s normal.

These failed for all the same reason, which is NOT normal. Studios generally don't purposefully put out bad products, except over the last few years.

They choose to push a message instead of entertaining, and that is exactly what the problem is. It is as simple as that.

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6oiqex wrote

everyone is pushing a message, like "spending 10x on police than you do on education is worthwhile" and "making everyone pay for healthcare separately is good"

why is that not woke?

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bazzbj t1_j6ojla2 wrote

You just destroyed their entire argument 😂 we have seen conservative ideas being pushed on all sorts of shows/movies. Looks like we have shows for everyone? Idk why they are snowflakes about it

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LegalizeApartments t1_j6ojy5c wrote

Wild to watch the safe space crowd be so mad about this. Like, movies are not representative of a society. If you don’t like something don’t watch it. The US is a huge place, lots to do here, make the most of it lmao

Or they can spend their time getting mad gay/black people and women exist. I’m not their boss

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bazzbj t1_j6ok97b wrote

that last part is the real reason tbh they use the word "woke" to hide their real feelings

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bazzbj t1_j6oif39 wrote

“Pushing a message” has been around for a loooooooooooooong time my friend. It’s just that you guys have now weaponized the word “woke” to go against anything that is non-traditional. Guess what? A majority of the population supports these “woke messages”. Before you give an example of Velma as “go woke go broke”, we think it sucks as well. Not for the same reasons though.

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