Icy-Neck-2422 t1_ja0wpgr wrote
I'm not a huge fan of the tram myself but totally get the people that want to retain it instead of a bunch of gondolas. Cannon does not need to become another Loon.
Curious_Buffalo_1206 t1_ja1m333 wrote
There is nothing at Cannon for the Jerries that go to Loon. It is a completely different mountain, and one lift is not going to change that.
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja2uvrk wrote
Cannon has nothing to offer them, but it doesn't seem to stop them from coming and then complaining Cannon has nothing to offer.
Look at the plates on any given weekend, +65% are MA. No I haven't done a data study, but I would still throw money on that percentage being accurate, or even lower than the actual data would show.
Curious_Buffalo_1206 t1_ja32jk3 wrote
Jerry is a mindset, not a license plate.
Different_Ad7655 t1_ja3hdpd wrote
Well isn't that what New Hampshire wants out of state plates that pay the bills. After all how else is the state going to make money More property taxes? Or maybe an income tax? The love-hate with Massachusetts I find so comical
reddittheguy t1_ja3kubl wrote
All of northern New England is just another New Brunswick or West Virginia without all that Boston/NYC money flowing up.
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja4a5fr wrote
Just don't come up with a shitty self entitled attitude and no one cares where you are from. Why so many folks from Mass cannot figure this out is beyond me.
You have to be an asshole first, before being from Mass plays into the equation making one a Masshole.
Different_Ad7655 t1_ja3mk5n wrote
Right, the license plate used to read years ago, scenic New Hampshire. For many manydecades it's been understood what really drives the economy. It's not old fashioned textile mills lol. The industrial ship has long sailed. Now it's tourism
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja49vdz wrote
I think a lot off Mass residents like to conflate Masshole as hate for Mass in general. It isn't. It is direct response to a strong held attitude and behavior that a large portion of MA visitors bring with them.
Repeated multiple times and will again. If you aren't an asshole firstly, no one cares where you are from. Act like an aggressive asshole and then are from Mass you are a Masshole.
I have friends who spent their whole lives in MA and they are actually the first to point out and be effected by others Masshole behavior when they come up and visit.
It is meme well outside just the northeast for a reason.
Different_Ad7655 t1_ja4aack wrote
Well I think we are describing is just the American tourist in general and the hideous reputation they have abroad. New Hampshire is the host state out of stateers are the guest, the tourist. I don't think it's so particular to Massachusetts but rather as a state the generic over there in American abroad, the Karen, fortunately not everybody's like that
Jetpilotboiii1989 t1_ja3ndmp wrote
“I’m sorry honey, looks like our ski trip is canceled, I just read on the Internet that there’s a man that doesn’t like when we go to his favorite mountain. Better unpack the car and break the news to the kids.”
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja48nys wrote
I don't give a shit. It is what it is. Don't be an asshole when you come up and no one will care you came up from Mass.
Sadly a non insignificant number (large minority/majority) of Mass residents, when they travel, like to be assholes and then try to defend their behavior by playing the 'I'm from Mass It's how we are' card like it makes it any better.
This weekend/last week it was well known conditions would be shit. There is zero justification for coming up and making aggressive scenes about the conditions, being rude, and justifying the aggressive scene because of where you came up from and projecting we all hate you for it. Sadly it isn't 20 something frat douches either.
It's moms and dads with kids in tow teaching the lesson that if you are rude and make a scene, you may get your way, and if not you will at least disrupt others away from their good time.
It is meme in the Northeast, Rockies, Tetons, Pacific Northwest, and Hawaii, to list a few, for a reason.
Jetpilotboiii1989 t1_ja4dbm7 wrote
Couple of things:
I’m from Massachusetts, but to me, I’m a New Englander and will go where I please. When I’m in nature, I’m “leave only footprints” when I’m on the mountain I abide by the code. And that’s me.
I don’t really like that it seems trendy now on social media to lean into the bad “Boston and its suburbs” stereotypes and those people can kick rocks.
I honestly was up there twice in the last few weeks and saw more CT plates than anything, and let’s be real, those are probably Manhattan/Westchester people descending on the upper New England like the locusts they are.
I go to the mountain when I have time and it’s almost always a weekday. But I look at the weather and research the conditions, I’m the type that thinks a bad day on the mountain beats a good day anywhere else and I’ll still enjoy the hell out of less than ideal conditions. But if I go on a rough day, that’s on me.
This is all coming from someone that will likely live in NH by the end of the decade and won’t be taking the Masshole with them if I can help it.
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja4jhi4 wrote
Fair enough. I consider myself from New England too, but I can say I do not relate to how people treat each other when I end up down south in the greater Boston to Worcester metro plex for any period of time. Add to that when I travel the number of times in my many years I have had people ask what is up with people from Mass.
Sitting at a bar in the Teton Village 'what's that accent?'
Me 'A mix of ME, NH, and beer.'
Patron 'wasn't quite a Mass accent, what is up with folks from there?' and then continues to tell a story about navigating raging assholes and their families.
I don't know, maybe it is the rude city meme, and then the rude city folks travel deep and add to that a Boston accent is fairly noticeable. This would include your greater NYC folk as well.
Back to point, if you aren't an asshole and don't bring an asshole vibe with you no one will care. I'm sure I've shared hiking, biking trails, skin routes, climbing adventures with many folks from Mass and never knew or cared because they, like I, were just doing our thing enjoying nature.
I have also had some positive interactions with folks who shared specifically they were from MA. Ironically they go out of their way to state they aren't like 'most folks from MA' a little like you did.
It cannot be over stated enough, it takes being an asshole first for anyone to even really care.
I can assure you we do not go out of our way to make it a MA folks aren't welcome. It really boils down to a 'ahh of course they are from MA' after the fact when acting aggressive and rude when something goes sideways.
ME and NH have home grown assholes as well and I don't like them either.
Jetpilotboiii1989 t1_ja4x26r wrote
Oh I hear ya. I used to work with a lady back in my restaurant days that would emphasize often that she was from Lynn. Which, was enough to get a bead on her personality. All to say, some people take pride in being from an environment where everyone treats each other like garbage because no one learned how to respect one another. I hate it and I always have. That said, I do think in some established contexts playful ribbing among friends and family is the normal way of interacting (which I hope you see my initial comment as just that)
I will say, I worked in NYC at one point and my first few experiences on my own needing help didn’t go too smoothly; seemed like there was a rule book somewhere that I was supposed to know about and should have glanced before coming. Even a simple question like “am I in the right place to…?” Gets an eye roll. Sink or swim. Which I don’t think would happen in Boston but I’m probably biased.
Reminds me of back when I went to Minnesota for a job interview, and later to work. The first night I’m at a bar getting a meal, I see several people shooting glances my way and experience tells me I’m in for it. Turns out they just wanted to talk to a new person. They said I didn’t have much of an accent. I probably do, but not like the movies. Any way, I later found out that the midwestern bubbly kindness was often a means of masking passive aggression and you learn what signs to look for. All to say I’ve met jerks all over, just different modes of expression.
I honestly haven’t been to Cannon, I looked at it more than a few times. I don’t have a lot of criteria for a hill, but to me it seemed a little more oriented towards skis than a board. Perhaps I’m wrong and I should give it a shot. Even if it were I always have a good time regardless. I wouldn’t say I’m new; actually just returning after a few years off, but I try pretty hard to not be Jerry.
exploremore617 t1_ja36f2l wrote
It’s an Indy pass resort so they get a ton of out of staters.
Nowhere_X_Anywhere t1_ja2ui09 wrote
This probably the driver behind my position on this.
The tram, though historic, is seriously showing it age. It is also very energy inefficient compared to other aerial lifts available, including modern versions of a jig back tram.
....but it can only move so many people so quick. Combined with a relatively low threshold for 'Selling out' day tickets (thanks to limited parking), makes Cannon so much more bearable than Loon.
Let the massholes have Loon. Keep to minimal snow removal on the notch and let Cannon remain the profitable respite it is for folk of NH to enjoy what NH has to offer without the constant inundation of folks who view us all as their servants first and backwards lessers second.
Considering the tram was already rebuilt, maybe we can get a modern/retro tram. New drives, upgraded towers, top bottom stations and slightly larger cabins based on the current form factor. Keeps the Tram vibe and aesthetic, but could carry a few more people and cost less in energy expense to run per operating hour to soften the increased amortization cost.
I think it is irrational to expect a tramway from the 30s will just last forever, but a high speed gondola would lead to an overcrowded experience for all. Making Cannon another Loon, Waterville, or the like where you get long lift lines and over crowded trails.
Northcountrynative t1_ja418z1 wrote
Agree, but this Tram is from 1980, not the 30’s.
Neighborhood_Lesbian t1_ja32ya3 wrote
Personal opinion here, keep the tram and update the lifts to high speed ones. They are all so slow.
Icy-Neck-2422 t1_ja3h0rx wrote
Yeah - the Cannonball Quad seems like it's crawling, especially if they are making snow on Profile during the day. Zoomer is slow but it's so short that it's tolerable.
Thankfully they've been doing a great job at limiting ticket sales so it doesn't turn into a Loon-style 7-run day due to the lift lines.
blzac33 t1_ja1k47s wrote
Agree but it’s already close.
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