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FaustusC t1_jadjub8 wrote

I just don't understand how a punch to the head isn't considered deadly force.

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asphynctersayswhat t1_jadlaq1 wrote

When you challenge someone to a fight, you can’t claim self defense. Stop. It’s over. This guy is a piece of shit.

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RelationshipJust9556 t1_jadlmtt wrote

He sought out the fight.

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Solid_Information_66 t1_jaduoww wrote

I mean when someone challenges you to a fight outside and you follow them outside to fight, aren't you also seeking out a fight?

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-cochise t1_jadyb6y wrote

We call that mutual combat.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jae4sqa wrote

It was 3v1. He had already been assaulted inside the bar. He got sucker punched outside when he looked at 1 of the other guys.

Not trying to say what he did was right but I’d definitely fear for my life being confronted by 3 guys after already being assaulted. I’m not turning my back on them to walk away.

This trial will be interesting.

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-cochise t1_jaeaxnm wrote

He’s on video asking the dude(s) to step outside to fight.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaefh4s wrote

He’s on video inside the bar screaming that someone already “punched me in the face”. I’d be pretty fuckin pissed too.

If the 1 guy went to fight him…ok. Instead 3 guys went to fight him. I don’t know about you but I’m not going to risk getting my head kicked in by 3 guys.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaekud8 wrote

I have zero sympathy for ANY little dick head that assaults someone. Keep your hands to yourself. What semantics am I arguing? 3 people assaulted a guy, 1 ended up dead.

Not the way I would have handled it. Not the way the bar, with police already there, should have handled it. I’ve seen plenty of shit go down in bars. Never have I seen a bar walk someone out and allow his assailants to follow a person.

Hypothetical, what if we replace “big guy” with a young woman. She’s on video inside, drunk, screaming that she was just molested. Bouncers walk her outside and 3 men follow her to her car where she shoots 1 of them. I do believe Reddit would have a different opinion on that situation. None of this, “ohh little guys can’t hurt people.” “they weren’t even doing anything to her.”
“She was looking right at him so it’s ok that he grabbed her breasts”.
“She was screaming about being molested in the bar so obviously she wanted it”.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaeqaoh wrote

There is no such thing as excessively shooting someone. Watch any police video where they dump 100’s of rounds into a person. Training teaches you to shoot till they stop moving.

Just a little aside note. You ever play paintball or airsoft? When someone on the other team pops up next to you, you WILL turn and shoot them. You’re going to pull that trigger as many times as you can until that persons hand is up yelling, I’m out I’m out I’m out. Adrenaline is a bitch. You’re not going to think clearly for at least a few seconds. There’s no such thing as, well I got him once so I win. You’re going to go until the threat is neutralized.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaeygag wrote

Ya know, I said if the 1 guy went to fight him it would have been ok… it wouldn’t. You’ve got a drunk guy that was already assaulted in the bar. Bouncers drag him out AND allow 3 assailants to follow him. That’s with the god damned police at the bar already. Police said it took them 15 seconds to be on the scene…. They should have been called over. The bar never should have let those people follow him into the parking lot. The bar sounds like they over served everyone involved. I don’t justify what this dickbag did but that bars gonna get sued to oblivion by the kids family that was shot and the guy that did the shooting. Bars have a responsibility to protect their customers.

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-cochise t1_jaes26n wrote

Yes, after that he’s all “let’s step outside!” Look dude, I defended Rittenhouse, but this guy is fucked.

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jakey_P t1_jaees2n wrote

And then he mag dumped into the dudes face and stood there looking all proud. I'm sure he was real worried for his life

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaefqnp wrote

The 3 guys weren’t to worried either when they had the upper hand and were threatening to kill him outside. That changed when he evened the odds.

It’ll be an interesting trial.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaefxgu wrote

7-8 rounds isn’t a mag dump. He had plenty more if the other 2 decided to jump him. The ole’ peace maker did its job.

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Common_Resolution_36 t1_jae5rts wrote

Yeah..no. The little puncher was like 4’11

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaex9us wrote

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393

But Duncan Bew, a consultant in trauma and acute care at King's College Hospital, said this reflects a fundamental lack of understanding.

"People are very much focused on penetrating injuries, but actually punching someone in the head can be just as lethal," he said.

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FaustusC t1_jae7tps wrote

And? You volunteering to let someone 4'11' smack you in the head when you're not paying attention?

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaeh9sx wrote

I’ve seen that comment from so many people it’s ridiculous. What the fuck does a few inches in height have to do with toughness? We ain’t measuring dick sizes here. Hell I’m 6” taller than Mike Tyson. I’d definitely destroy him in a fight…

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FaustusC t1_jaeilat wrote

Apparently short people can't be dangerous? Lmfao. I knew a dude who was almost a foot shorter than me but but we joke sparred once and he managed to get me to the ground twice. It was like fighting a spider monkey.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaei1xt wrote

He looked to the right at one of the other 3 guys that were a threat to him. Once his focus was off, dick head smashes his face in. That’s the second time he was blindside attacked without provocation. Who did this guy hit? No one. He was assaulted twice.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaego8a wrote

If I had 3 guys threatening me I’d have my hand on my gun as well. I’m not missing going home to my family because some little dick terds got beer balls.

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nixstyx t1_jadm9cy wrote

It could be. I think the judge's comments about the totality of the evidence reference the fact that he was actively looking for a fight. In that case, I don't think you can really claim self-defense.

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WrongdoerClean7529 t1_jadn2bt wrote

It would have been more of a self defense case if he didn’t automatically shoot like the video showed. He should have pulled the gun and told him to back off. Instead he immediately fired. Additionally, other videos showed he was trying to egg on a fight outside the bar. Dude was looking to shoot someone that night.

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FaustusC t1_jae81lk wrote

Idk man. You hit me I'm not going to draw and ask you to stop, because that's how you get disarmed and the weapon used against you. Never draw unless you intend to use it.

You punch me in the side of the temple, I'd have reacted the same way this dude did.

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DadsTheMan69 t1_jae8j9g wrote

Would you also fire the whole damn clip as fast as possible?

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FaustusC t1_jaegmoe wrote

Absolutely not. 1-3 while backing away and seeing if the person dropped so I could attempt to render aid if my shots weren't fatal.

I'm an asshole and I'm not going to be assaulted, but I'm also not going to let someone die even if they deserve it.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaequl0 wrote

That’s easy to say without the adrenaline pumping. In a real situation I’d wager a different result for most people.

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FaustusC t1_jaehb7t wrote

I mean. I don't disagree he's a piece of shit because mag dumping someone is stupid, but I'm also not believing everything the media has released until the evidence is released at trial.

All I know is: I saw the video. Party A was standing there. Party B approaches. Party B appeared to say something. Party B nails Party A in the side of the head. Party A draws and Party B becomes fertilizer.

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FaustusC t1_jaegpwx wrote

Spoken like someone whose never actually been punched in the temple or side of the head lmfao.

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FaustusC t1_jaei33v wrote

Put up or shut up then my dude.

Hits To the side of the head are incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal. The only people who think defending yourself from assault makes you a coward, have never been assaulted.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaeqztj wrote

Maybe. But he’s an alive pussy.

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JohnnyRebe1 t1_jaex2w0 wrote

Because you’re talking like punching people is ok and it’s not also a deadly assault.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38992393

But Duncan Bew, a consultant in trauma and acute care at King's College Hospital, said this reflects a fundamental lack of understanding.

"People are very much focused on penetrating injuries, but actually punching someone in the head can be just as lethal," he said.

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xwalk t1_jadz8l0 wrote

Maybe if he shot once there's a decent argument for it (not from me) but he unloaded point blank without hesitation. He's too dangerous to be out and about with reactions like that. Although George Zimmerman got away with it and then bragged so who knows.

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