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shortieXV t1_jbgib90 wrote

Reply to comment by RedLeafRoy in In testimony and rally, crowds oppose Republican-backed bills targeting LGBTQ youth by kitchinsink

This is the worst take I've seen in a long time. It seems your position is that "pronouns are religion". I would encourage you to examine why you frame things this way because from my point of view it means you only see the world as "my religion is default and everything else is some other religion" which makes you sound delusional.

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbgjpxw wrote

You claim it's the worst take, but your analysis is really shallow. It's 2 straw men.

Another person asked my definition of religion. I provided one, and then demonstrated how this belief system checks all the boxes. I don't want to continually have the same conversation here, so please read that if it interests you.

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shortieXV t1_jbgkjo5 wrote

It doesn't interest me because it's a psychotic take and this isn't a straw man because it's an observation not an argument. You stated it's a religion which is clearly false by all common definitions so using your niche bias definition to play semantic dodgeball sounds awful to me. No thanks.

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbgl4sr wrote

It's psychotic now? LOL

the pronoun thing is a ritual. The related belief system checks all the boxes of a humanistic religion.

My argument isn't semantics. Words have meanings. If people here say itsnotitsnotitsnot then I get to demonstrate how it fits the definition.

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Consus t1_jbgp01d wrote

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Pronouns are not a religious ritual. They are words we use in place of someone's name.

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbgqd1r wrote

pronouns can be used as a religious ritual and this case is. I've spoken with a lot of NH clergy who agree

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Consus t1_jbgs7u4 wrote

Oh well if you and the clergy agree it must be true.

Please explain how pronouns are a ritual. Rituals are ceremonies or rites. How can a word be a ceremony or rite? Be specific. Site examples of pronouns being used as a ritual, since you apparently know the last 5000 years of religious history.

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbgthii wrote

words are used in ritual every day. Literally. No exaggeration. -from the liturgy in houses of worship to the every day life of faith. Do you have little or no exposure to religion? Have you heard someone say amen? Peace be with you? And also with you? No?

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Consus t1_jbgv8zz wrote

Yes I was raised in a very religious household.

Just because words are used in rituals does not make them rituals or somehow owned by religion. Candles, flowers, clothing, furniture, food. All these things are used in rituals. Does that make them inherently religious? Do Christians own wine because it's used in church every week?

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbgx1is wrote

> How can a word be a ceremony or rite?

Since you asked that, I believed you didn't know how a word could be a ceremony or a rite. If you were raised in a very religious household you should know this.

"Just because words are used in rituals does not make them rituals or somehow owned by religion."

That was not your question. So that was not what I was answering. You asked how a word could be a ritual at all.

"Candles, flowers, clothing, furniture, food. All these things are used in rituals. Does that make them inherently religious?"

No, and that was never my argument. My argument for hours now has always been the same- The new way that pronouns are used is part of a belief system and religion.

If you use flowers in a religious way, it's religious. If you use food in a ritual, it's a ritual.

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Consus t1_jbgzszv wrote

If that's what you have been trying to say, you've done a terrible job of explaining it.

I'll make it easy for you though, it's not a religion. No one worships trans people or pronouns. Yes beliefs have changed but you're not protected from hearing other people's beliefs.

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RedLeafRoy t1_jbh9c3i wrote

parents are allowed to know what beliefs are being taught to their children. And, as I demonstrated, teaching beliefs in public schools is illegal.

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triestdain t1_jbn6f9a wrote

Teaching and promoting a singular belief is 'illegal'. Teaching about beliefs in general is absolutely legal my friend. World Mythology and World Religions are a common class in highschool. For decades.

There are no current laws that force schools to tell a parent if thier child is claiming to be part of a certain religion.

If your claim is true. A law for that and not specifically about pronouns should be pass. Correct?

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shortieXV t1_jbgxhvu wrote

If your clergy agree with this it suggests they are using rhetoric as a tool to isolate you and make you dependent on them for community by "othering" differing view points. I recommend getting out while you can before you find yourself entirely dependent on the clergy for any thoughts or community you have.

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