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How can it be a 'Miss America' pageant if it's just in New Hampshire?

Terrible. An outright attack on biological women.

No picture?

https://images.app.goo.gl/PpX6QKTNi2Vo84v26

🤡 world lol

Exactly. Haven't women been through enough this year?

It was a “Miss America Organization” pageant. Miss Greater Derry. It’s a prelim for the statewide pagent which crowns Miss New Hampshire, who then goes on to the official Miss America Pagent

It's a preliminary event for Miss NH, then Miss America.

3 words: tolerance and inclusion.

Model for before pictures?

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Events like this show the fear in people. Fear in those judges that felt if they did not vote for this person, they would be seen as bigoted, intolerant, and hateful. That they might be called out publicly. Canceled. Have their jobs threatened.

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Another stupid label, nice.

Ok

By what criteria ?

Who did he beat?

Not a chance in hell that guy is the best looking lady on that stage…. This world is sickening!!

Yup poor girls that actually put in work just to be beat by a fat dude absolutely sickening

These comments are exactly the trash fire I expected.

That things weighs over twice the weight of any of the competition. Disgusting. Clown world for real.

Can anyone look up who the judges were?

It’s more the fear of the intolerant who crumble at the thought of anything different.

Beauty pageants are literally only about superficiality. If she was a hot trans woman very few people would give a shit (aka no one cares about Miss America anyways), but this is just literally a joke. Its so blatantly obvious the subversion of the event itself for a political statement. Come on now. All the other women have to be facepalming.

A large majority of women vote for candidates that support this. These women and their daughters are the ones being affected by stuff like this in athletics and competitions. I say let them reap what they sow. I don’t care and congrats to the ‘winner’.

So proud of her!! As someone who competed in the NH beauty competition circuit, I hope my other alumni come out and support her as well :)

So you can send them death threats?

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Gotcha, you're just transphobic trash.

At the very least, he’s not the fittest. In other words, he is kind of chubby.

Biological females.

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Fucking sickening how this is being portrayed as normal and healthy. It’s not. We’re now living in 2 different realities, the reality that you want, and actual reality. A man is not a woman, a woman is not a man. This coercion that if you speak out about this you’re a pos needs to stop. This puts actual females who are competing in this in a spot where they can’t complain or else the mob will attack them, even when they have every right to. That man isn’t even close to pageant worthy, but to appease a small group of loud individuals it was picked out of a pool of substantially better candidates. This is turning into a epidemic at this point, where the people who partake in this bs do it so they get a sense of feeling special because everyone panders to it, 80% do it out of fear of losing their jobs, 20% actually believe this cult. Western culture is turning into nothing but a clown show at this point.

Maybe that was the best Derry had to offer? Or the judges weren’t very good?

Whatever the mob demands.

It was by dick size, very inspiring story

Look at these comments. It's sickening that these people would be so shitty over something they wouldn't have any stake in nor care about otherwise.

You’re a cultist who lives in an alternate reality, who thinks somehow believing you’re a different gender should put you on some sort of high ground over people who are actually said gender. This MAN has no business in a “miss” America pageant. Just because it believes it’s now a woman doesn’t make it a women. Just because you want to accept it as a women doesn’t make it a women. It’s a man thinking they’re a woman, two totally different things. One is gender, one is a mental illness.

In this thread: Triggered Snowflakes.

It’s normal and healthy! And this is the reality I want. Pretty cool this milestone happened in NH. Also, gender’s a social construct, bruh!

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Exactly it's messed up.

Widdle twiggered baby!

If we’re living in your reality everything is a social construct, we’re not going off of the previous 300,000 years, we’re just going off of the past decade. Gender has been attached to sex since the beginning of time, but somehow since people want to feel special and get special treatment/attention we’re going to change the way things have been done since humans were drawing in caves. If this is so normal and healthy why the massive age gap? If it’s not an ideology that is mostly formed in gen Z shouldn’t every age group have a similar percentage of “trans”? there’s so many holes in this bs you must see it.

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If you don't see anything wrong with this you need professional help.

Have you considered: Eating my entire cock and balls?

No thanks, i just ate.

I'm not mad that she's trans... but if she was cisgender there is no way she would win or even be in the running.

I live in Derry and haven't heard anything about this and can't find any local news or posts about anything like this happening.

WPDE isn't even a NH station. Derry is a pretty heavily Republican leaning town and yet there's no local mention of this. No outrage on the town's Facebook page and Derry Republicans get triggered over the smallest things, so it would definitely be mentioned locally.

The lady that crowned her is about 300lbs

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Lmao best comment

The only place reporting this news are far right papers. At this point not sure how valid this story is.

Is it a cock and balls that used to be a pussy? Sure seems like it.

Do you know who doesn't agree with that diagnosis?

Any valid mental health practitioner.

...

These fucking shit stirring accounts are so tiring. This whole comment section is filled with tourists spreading hate.

We get it, you're angry. Get fucked.

Most if not all are not even from New Hampshire.

They just bounce from sub to sub when these sort of topics are posted and brigade them with hate.

No valid discussion at all, just strong opinions based on outdated ideas.

It's so transparent and sad.

Who in their right mind thought he needed to be circled? As if you can't immediately tell lol

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“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

George Orwell, 1984

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014821296205

I have more of an issue with the fact that she is fat and ugly, then that she used to be a man.

Perhaps because it was literally unsafe to be out as trans before now. It still is unsafe. I agree there’s a sort of bandwagon thing happening but at least young people feel more free and safe to explore who they might be as opposed to generations past who had to fit into some narrow definition of what you should be or look like based on your sex organs. Fuck I’m just a “tomboy” type of woman and even I have spent my life being made fun of for being too masculine or being told by men I’m not feminine enough for them because I don’t spend loads of money on makeup, nails, hair and plastic surgery. And I assure you I look quite womanly lol.

ETA: the percentage of the human population born as intersex is the same as those born with red hair. So even if you wanna narrowly define who “should” be trans to the people born with ambiguous sex organs or both male and female sex organs or chromosomal abnormalities that’s still a lot of people. They just aren’t hiding as much now because they feel like there is a place for them in the world to be accepted.

What is the different approach being offered here? Explain it to me?

Actually the percentage of the human population born as intersex is about the same as the percentage born with red hair.

Kinda like they don’t feel like it’s a threat to them perhaps. The Republican base is the party known for ALWAYS voting against their own self interest. That’s what happens when your base is literally comprised of the uneducated ignorant masses. Ever wonder why your party is so against education funding? Because you have to be fucking stupid to support them. That is the clown world we are living in. People like you have turned this country into a living breathing live action version of Idiocracy. It would be funny if it weren’t so fucking mind blowing. Half of this country is literally the laughing stock of the entire fucking world and it’s not the half you think it is. It’s the half you belong too.

Traditional>outdated

Do you have a single piece of data to support your unsafe claim and reasoning? I have yet to find one. When did letting your kids just take the wheel and make horrible decisions become the norm? That’s the total opposite of what parenting is supposed to be, you’re supposed to be the guide. The red hair thing is a good example but doesn’t explain the phenomenon of gen z. I would agree with you the box we expect woman to live by should be expanded, you’re indeed a woman, even if you’re not super feminine lol nothing wrong with being a “tomboy”. I’d say they’re definitely is something wrong with getting an automatic win in a pageant because you wanted special treatment, then getting that special treatment and forcing everyone to go along with it or get lynched in the streets for it by once again a small but loud minority. This is as bad as shit that happens in china, go to a corporate job and say you don’t agree with this and they’ll fire you on the spot, this isn’t normal, and the fact people who don’t want to play this game are either having their tongues ripped out or being forced to say things they don’t agree with is sickening.

You keep saying that. Where do you see those numbers?

“Outdated” based on what? Just because you believe something is archaic doesn’t make it archaic. When the majority of the country believes this “outdated” ideas they’re in fact, not outdated . This is the alternate reality people who but into this trash are in. Just because you believe something doesn’t make it true, just like this thing being a woman, that is for sure a fat male that has zero business winning anything, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

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Age is social construct. I’m not a twiggered baby, I’m now a transracial transsexual 22 year old. GIVE ME SPECIAL TREATMENT NOW!

There is a plethora of data available on the internet about the rates of violence against trans people especially women. It was the same for decades for gay people. I’m not going to do your job for you. If you really care to be educated you can easily find that data. I did say I agree with the bandwagon phenomenon. And it’s sucks that it’s not possible to have an actual dialog about this because you immediately get labeled as hateful. Like I definitely have views on this that many would say makes me transphobic. I never said I thought it was ok for kids to be taking puberty blockers etc. Although if a child is known to have been born intersex that is different. And many are. We just didn’t know it in the past and nobody was listening to these kids when they said they felt like they were in the wrong body. They were just assigned a gender and sex at birth based on what it looked like was the closest fit based on the outward appearance of the genitalia when a whole bunch of other stuff was going on internally inside the body. This isn’t a simple black and white issue at all that people wanna make it out to be. I mean what are you gonna do if you find out your kid has ovaries and that the small penis he has it’s actually an enlarged clitoris? Nobody wants to talk about these things but they are not as uncommon as people think they are. Or your daughter is found to have undescended testicles.

Amnesty International for one. Hit the Google button for fucks sake.

I mean that's not anything I ever thought I'd have to Google and I'm not sure who the fuck amnesty international is lol.

Ahhh a quick Google search shows here that they're a left wing nut activity group. They also don't seem to have the resources to give you accuracy on that claim you're making. I'd take it with a grain of salt.

Amnesty International is a well known and long standing non profit organization with a mission to end human rights abuses throughout the world. If you think that makes them nuts than you’re a moron and there’s not hope for you.

There is no long term data supporting that , A violence against transgenderism was prominent, and a reason for the lack of it existing. B the reason you must accept it is because they’ll commit suicide like they used to. You’re 👌 especially the actual intersex stuff is spot on and something that needs further evaluation and unfortunately I believe the evidence with this current gen z age group proves it that this is just group think, seeking to be different/ special treatment.

To the chick that blocked me that's comparing red heads to trans -

Woah you hit copy and paste on their "about us" tab 😂

Ending human rights abuse is great and all but, considering it's a British activist group, not an American actual company with the tools to perform such statistics your point is still invalid.

Also, I still don't see your statistics on their website.

ooh its the one joke you know other than your personality

No they’re laughing because this country has a bunch of bigots like you in it

There’s no long term data because it’s a new field of study but ALL the data shows much higher rates of violence. And yes I agree that there is a component of it being a fad as do the few trans people I know. I’m Gen X. And even trans people are afraid to voice these opinions because they get labeled as traitors to their community. I’m just so sick of people not being able to have a conversation about things. Like the dumbing down of our society has reached a critical level lol. Like no way should trans folks be competing in sports with their chosen gender. There are biological advantages for people born male regardless of hormone level requirements. Bone density, limb length, muscle mass and structure and the list goes on and on. And in those cases I 100% agree with people being pissed. But Miss America? Lol give me a break. If people are butt hurt that their narrow definition of beauty is changing they can ya know, fuck right off or just ignore it.

Think it's time for these contests to stop.

The actual reality is they won though...

“Won” by having their hands tied and their tongues ripped out. If you consider that winning you’re sick. Only thing it won was biggest dick and waste size in the comp.

Ah, sorry, didn't realize you were there and actually witnessed what happened.

That must be the case over you just assuming shit and making up a story in your head, right?

What's a lonely internet troll doing at a teen beauty pageant anyway?

You being a hate filled person is sick. Get help.

Lmao she is FAT and she is UNATTRACTIVE. It doesn’t matter that she’s trans…. I have seen a lot of smoking hot trans women. This “winner” is a dumpster fire. I thought these winners were supposed to have grace, poise, and fitness. Lmao

Right?!

It’s an outright attack on aesthetics. It’s not even a trans thing- there are tons of fit and attractive trans women out there.

“Best derry had to offer” …are you serious?

“Judges aren’t very good?” I’d say so.

This contest is a scholarship program too. That makes it even worse. Like 'Here is some money to help further your education, but you only get it if a panel of old men get to judge you and determine if you are the prettiest girl they see all day.'

> ...you only get it if a panel of old men get to judge you and determine if you are the prettiest girl they see all day.'

I guess it's good news to you that a homely man 'won' instead.

This is the ugliest Miss I have ever seen. There are plenty of pretty trans girls. This is not one of them. Ugly and fat, plain and simple.

Why do we discriminate against women in NH?

http://www.missderry.org/company_profile.htm

I’ve never been to Derry but I know some people that moved there and they def would not have won a beauty pagent so it’s a valid question

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No it’s absolutely not lol. You think an obese biological male should have beat the competition? An obese woman wouldn’t even have been allowed to compete. I don’t even need to see his competition to say he shouldn’t have won.

Yes he is obese. An obese woman wouldn’t have been allowed to even compete.

That’s missing the point. A trans woman —who is so convincing the old men with poor eyesight couldn’t even tell that she’s a male—winning would be valid, but that’s rarely the case with trans women.

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Winning out of pity or wanting to appear modern and progressive is not really a win though is it.

Unironically quoting George Orwell as if he would be a transphobe, he was progressive and definitely saw trans people as who they are.

Still hard to say. One lady I knew had a real bad stutter. That would have affected the talent portion of the event. I heard she died a few years ago when she hit an embankment

This lady wasn’t in the beauty pageant so how is that relevant? Also, you sound like a dick if you’re saying that a woman who has a stutter can’t be beautiful.

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Only Rosie O'Donnell!

Sure, if that's what happened. I don't know, I don't go to teen beauty pageants, that would be weird. Did you go? Do you know that's what happened?

I said the stutter would affect the talent portion. Nothing to do with beauty. So you think a man dressed as a woman can’t be beautiful?

Why, do they have to talk? Aren’t they just eye candy?

Yes, I do think that.

It's one thing to see someone as just another human who is trans. It's quite another to pretend a man is actually a woman to the point of giving them money meant for women's scholarships. I'm not scholar of Orwell, but I'm pretty certain he's be against calling things what they obviously aren't.

Just imagine how it feels for those girls to be basically told they are less attractive than an obese man in a dress? It's not that long ago that this would have been a gigantic insult to women, now I guess it's seen as "progress".

Read the title, saw the picture.

Ahh, reddit...got my popcorn ready. Time to scroll down...

A lot of the data we have is either slanted, misrepresented, or just factually incorrect. The trans suicide rate constantly repeated for instance is actually just suicidal thoughts. If the suicide rate was actually as high as they say then even despite the extremely small number of trans people the annual suicide rate would be many times higher and completely dominated by trans people. So much of this has become a horrible game of telephone. We need to forget this group identity nonsense and stop letting uneducated activists disseminate scientific studies for the public.
As far as this being a beauty competition so it doesn't matter... I mean, a lot goes into this and I don't want to write an actual essay. I'll just say that when one of the things you take pride in is intruded upon that most people feel threatened. I think these competitions are dumb and even potentially harmful to women's image in general, but letting an obese man in a dress win it is even more harmful because it says that women don't even have that beauty to begin with.
Is that harm good or bad? I tend to think bad because it denies the basic human experience, but the real answer is that we don't know the result of attempting to tweak these cultural levers. I will say you shouldn't ever feel bad for whatever you are naturally attracted to, we know now that it's just another inalienable characteristic. The point of a beauty contest though is to show what the plurality of people (at least within a sub group) find attractive. I can't imagine the target audience of this pageant is a group that finds him more attractive than these women, but I've been surprised before.

Wow you sound like a dick if you’re saying a man can’t be beautiful

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>It's quite another to pretend a man is actually a woman to the point of giving them money meant for women's scholarships.

They are women, so they deserve those scholarships, but i'm pretty sure that's not a huge issue.

>I'm not scholar of Orwell, but I'm pretty certain he's be against calling things what they obviously aren't.

I'm pretty sure he would, he was pretty progressive, but we will never know.

>Just imagine how it feels for those girls to be basically told they are less attractive than an obese man in a dress?

They probably feel happy for that other girl, literally no one except you has an issue with that.

> It's not that long ago that this would have been a gigantic insult to women, now I guess it's seen as "progress".

Yes, it is progress, trans women are being able to not only participate, but also win these competitions. The freedom of society can only be measured by how we treat its most stigmatized people.

"if that's what happened"

It's painfully obvious that is exactly what happened. Let's return to reality just a little here.

Sure, we can just forget the literal mountain of evidence showing how men are not women /s. It's one thing to say that these scholarships are discriminating based off sex/race/whatever, but when you start trying to ignore the obvious reality then you're off your rocker. I just want to be clear that what you are pretending is true is completely and totally baseless. It's progress for sure, but more in the sense that cancer progresses.
I'm not going to waste time arguing with your ideological foundation, but I highly recommend you don't speak on these subjects until you have ANY proof of theory.
This pageant is a private affair I believe. They can run it how they want, but they can't control how people react to it, nor the actual reality. I can hold a competition to say blue is the best shade of red, but it doesn't change the fact that these are different wavelengths.

>Sure, we can just forget the literal mountain of evidence showing how men are not women /s

You consider trans women as "men" just like how racists considered black women as "too mannish" and subsequently segregated them.

>I just want to be clear that what you are pretending is true is completely and totally baseless.

Which part? Pretty sure it is backed up by most medical organizations that sex and gender are separate, so males can be women and females can be men.

>I'm not going to waste time arguing with your ideological foundation, but I highly recommend you don't speak on these subjects until you have ANY proof of theory.

I have a lot of experience on this subject, i used to transition :D

>I can hold a competition to say blue is the best shade of red, but it doesn't change the fact that these are different wavelengths.

Yeah, but humans are not as simple as different wavelengths of light are they?

Literally sat at a bar listening to a bunch of fat old men whine about it.

Pretty surreal.

False equivocation doesn't work on me. If you want to try being manipulative, go do it to someone else. It doesn't help your argument nor provide any evidence. Sex and gender being separate is true, but just means guys can be feminine and girls can be masculine. It does not mean that these things are arbitrary categorizations.
I mean if you actually are trans, you should know better than anyone that we call these "treatments" feminizing and masculinizing for a reason. You aren't changing your sex, you are changing how you appear to others. You don't get to destroy other peoples protected categories without reprisal just because of your feelings.

> Sex and gender being separate is true, but just means guys can be feminine and girls can be masculine.

Nope, it means males can be women, and females can be men.

https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender

https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21

>It does not mean that these things are arbitrary categorizations.

They are

>I mean if you actually are trans, you should know better than anyone that we call these "treatments" feminizing and masculinizing for a reason.

That's just faulty naming, feminizing is a biological term, while being feminine is a behavior. Unless you think all feminine men have vaginas.

>You aren't changing your sex, you are changing how you appear to others.

You're changing a lot of your sex as well, sex is a lotta things, primary sex characterestics (chromosomes, hormones, organs) and secondary characterestics (body fat ratio, metabolism, hair growth, voice, breast growth, etc).

And every one of them changes with hormones and surgery except for chromosomes.

>You don't get to destroy other peoples protected categories without reprisal just because of your feelings.

Exactly, trans women deserve the same as cis women, because trans women are women, regardless of how you feel about it.

Not like a woman can.

So, the Canadian link agrees with me except it makes a caveat that gender can change how it's expressed depending on different factors, again true. That's completely different from saying it doesn't exist. It doesn't mean they are arbitrary and can be changed at will to whatever you want. All it ends up meaning is that you are swimming against a torrential waterfall of evidence against you so you can try to convince society that men and women aren't different. Good luck with that.

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The UK link you sent me is utopian dogma. I mean seriously? "SDGs are a universal call to action to end poverty, protect the planet and ensure that all people enjoy peace and prosperity by 2030". They got 7 years to establish world peace, destroy capitalism, end climate change, and destroy observable reality. I guess I wish them luck?

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As for the third link from the council of Europe... it specifically states that the new usage of the word gender is meant to fight against biological determinism. While I disagree with what some proponents of biological determinism state (in the same way I disagree on the trans issue, people drawing causation from correlation), you would be incredibly ignorant on these topics to think genetics doesn't play a role in literally everything about you. Your lack of ANY biological knowledge is actually mind blowing to me.

I know I won't change your mind, and I don't intend to respond again to a militant ideologue. I just want to suggest you really think about your actions and read The Art of War. The way you activist types are going about this is at best a 50/50 shot of self destruction, but more than likely you're just going to radicalize people to the point that whatever imagined violence you see now is going to turn much more real and much more harsh. Your dogmatic attitude is going to hurt untold numbers of uninvolved and very real people, and I intend to fight it so long as it exists.

It's a beauty pageant, stop being obtuse.

> Originating in 1921 as a "bathing beauty revue", the contest is now judged on competitors' talent performances and interviews.

It's actually not, so stop being ignorant.

I live in reality. You right wing mo's are the ones denying reality.

The world is changing.

Keep up or be left behind.

If I was wrong, this wouldn't have happened and this discussion wouldn't be happening, but it did.

Then why did you call it a teen beauty pageant? Stop being so ignorant 🙃
Fat dudes don't belong in events for women.

I was being ignorant and then I informed myself.

It's called growth. Try it. It will make you a better person.

This woman's prettier than you?

Wow. And to think, every single woman in Derry NH is less attractive than that.

I can only assume this is the prettiest woman in Derry NH.

You could throw a rock and hit a hotter woman in Derry.

well, she’s wearing the crown isn’t she?

Then you're not returning to reality...

Think whatever you want, people who are not brain washed can see this for exactly what it is and nothing you say will change that. This person is in no way more attractive than any of the people they ran against, pictures are out there you know...

But either a fear of being labeled a phobe, or a want to look progressive are the single only options here for why they won. That is reality, regardless if you see it for what it is.

Nobody is being left behind, but trust this type of bullshit is pushing people away from being as accepting as they would otherwise. This entire thread and any other on the matter have a majority of people calling it for what it is, and thats on a very left leaning platform btw.

But by all means, keep playing dumb and keep pushing people away from the cause by being purposefully obtuse.

"If I was wrong, this wouldn't have happened"

This is an extremely weak argument and proves absolutely nothing. Plenty of things have happened that ended up being wrong.

Supporting strange men to compete in womens events does not make you a better person.

In reality dressing as a woman does not make you one.

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> This person is in no way more attractive than any of the people they ran against, pictures are out there you know...

So you're saying this teenager is not attractive enough for you?

We truly live in a clown world.

If you disagree with scientific evidence, doesn't make the evidence not true.

Why aren’t feminists standing up to this nonsense?

No one cares about beauty pagents. It's about the distortion of reality. Or are you telling me this is the new beauty? Also it feels like a clown world we are living in. A sort of the kaisers new clothes kinda deal. And we aren't even allowed to comment or what?

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The judges of the contest are probably salivating at the thought to have intimate relationship with the winner, no?

People like you are so fucking frustrating to discuss things with. You know my post was right and that you have no response, so you look for something you can attack. Typical redditor. You know damn well what I meant.

Next time just admit to taking the L.

What nonsense?

Because you don't like the results..?

>They are women, so they deserve those scholarships

THIS

This guy's parents must be real proud

I don't "know my post was right".

I know you are wrong.

Given that, it's not worth engaging with you seriously.

That said, you were the one who used "attractive".

Also it was established in this comment that it's not even a "beauty" contest anymore, so you're yet again working off an outdated idea.

I think your idea of reality is not wrong, just no longer valid. It's what used to be.

LOL!!! This has to be a joke!!!! Dude looking like Samoa Joe with a wig on, who lost a bet and had to compete with a straight face.

Women, where's the outrage. All the years of training, dieting, competing, travelling for what, so a woke agenda takes a dump on your dreams? Where's the respect for women? The hypocrisy is so blatant.

This new whatever the f*ck you call it has ZERO regard for you. The beast system is now in your face, up front and waiting for a response.

Found the creepy tranny. No one gives af about what you think either freak

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It’s a person with a dick winning miss America. Are you blind.

Preach

I guarantee the fat old men at the bar aren’t trying to go win miss American beauty pageant. So not catching your point.

I don’t think he was offended by it. Just pointed out the fact the guy is ugly as hell.

>It’s a person with a dick winning miss America. Are you blind.

I'm not seeing how that matters AT ALL. A women won in a women's contest. Go ahead and get mad, but getting mad won't change the progress we've made.

Nothing you can do will stop this so you better get used to it.