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notsurethisisfunny t1_j0x2a83 wrote

Not a fan of the term, “hate crimes.” Seems like it is just a PC term being pushed into law. Why should assault be different if it is a person of one race against a person of the same race than if it is perpetrated against a person of a different race. I would like to understand better. Please advise

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Clamd t1_j0x6jvz wrote

Motivation matters. If you punch someone because they cut you in line that's one thing. If you punch someone because they're a different race that's a whole other thing and should have worse consequences because this racist nonsense that still thrives in this country has to go.

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Maldonian t1_j109095 wrote

If you really want racism to go away, start with the people stoking hatred and division.

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gmcgath t1_j0zx43i wrote

Having different levels of punishment because of the perpetrator's ideas is a very bad path to go down. What unpopular idea might be the next one to be punished when associated with a crime? I fail to see why punching someone for their race should get a greater punishment than punching someone for, say, picketing?

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bubumamajuju t1_j0y867f wrote

Behold everyday moonbat mental gymnastics: to on one hand believe that the legal system is unequal and needlessly punitive and at the same time advocating for excessively long punishments for white thought crime.

Every white on black crime is now treated as a potential hate crime and sensationalized as such regardless of evidence to the contrary (clear evidence such as libel cases being won against media companies pushing a false narrative).

Meanwhile legitimate racial-bias crimes against white victims are essentially never a hate crime by design even when the perpetrator is overtly racist to the point where they’re yelling racial slurs and/or have a history of posting racial tirades online. When people found Frank James YouTube account, the NY Times wrote “the shooting suspect left troubling videos online”. They intentionally buried the lede - being a black nationalist is more than “troubling”.

The criteria for a hate crime in various states essentially codifies the bar as lower for certain groups and higher for others. If the noble idea is to dissuade interracial and racially/ethnically/religiously/sexuality motivated crime, shouldn’t all hate crimes be punished accordingly? Shouldn’t we be able to look up simple things like what groups are committing interracial crimes without nefarious intervention from those who believe access to the data itself would might make people racist (this was literally the stated reason SF wouldn’t various info on BART transit crimes).

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dojijosu t1_j0zgs4e wrote

I knew to blow you off at “moonbat.”

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AuthorSnow t1_j0x4klh wrote

Hate crimes are as valid as hate speech

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gmcgath t1_j0zx7yu wrote

Agreed. Both are arbitrary categories that can be stretched or shrunk at will.

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Maldonian t1_j108si2 wrote

Exactly. If someone hurts me, and the act was illegal, I don’t care what his motivation was. No one should get neither lenience nor excessive punishment.

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