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GreatGrandaddyPurp t1_j0x6soa wrote

Wow that article was completely absent of data. Not a single statistic to back that headline. Total fluff piece.

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Beautiful_Repeat_718 t1_j0y4u6m wrote

Right!? No data whatsoever. Except in the first 2 paragraphs. And this link in the 3rd paragraph. Aside from that, absolutely no data was given in that article!!

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Centurion_Zen t1_j0ztbgg wrote

I wouldn't giving him something to read. considering he is stuck so far up his own ass, he's in danger of choking on his own head.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j0z4emi wrote

Lol seems like the comment section might be filled with some of these very same people 😂🤔

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Centurion_Zen t1_j0zqiuv wrote

They are, to put it as politely as possible, untroubled by complexities of life...

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TreePointOhhhhh t1_j0wl2sc wrote

Now pls do stats for rapes, murders, and violent crimes committed by criminals that were released with zero consequences.

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Maldonian t1_j1095ua wrote

Exactly. Seems like nearly every article says the perpetrator was “well known to police.” Which can only happen when we have catch and release for criminals.

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smartest_kobold OP t1_j0wr4p9 wrote

Lower than the population at large. Thanks for playing.

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TreePointOhhhhh t1_j0wskfx wrote

Same can be said for these hate crimes npr is trying to sensationalize. Only difference is we’re seeing more than an “uptick” in these violent crimes. And we also know exactly who’s committing them, unlike these unknown hate crimes. Odd that one gets more attention than the other...

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notsurethisisfunny t1_j0x2a83 wrote

Not a fan of the term, “hate crimes.” Seems like it is just a PC term being pushed into law. Why should assault be different if it is a person of one race against a person of the same race than if it is perpetrated against a person of a different race. I would like to understand better. Please advise

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Clamd t1_j0x6jvz wrote

Motivation matters. If you punch someone because they cut you in line that's one thing. If you punch someone because they're a different race that's a whole other thing and should have worse consequences because this racist nonsense that still thrives in this country has to go.

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Maldonian t1_j109095 wrote

If you really want racism to go away, start with the people stoking hatred and division.

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gmcgath t1_j0zx43i wrote

Having different levels of punishment because of the perpetrator's ideas is a very bad path to go down. What unpopular idea might be the next one to be punished when associated with a crime? I fail to see why punching someone for their race should get a greater punishment than punching someone for, say, picketing?

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bubumamajuju t1_j0y867f wrote

Behold everyday moonbat mental gymnastics: to on one hand believe that the legal system is unequal and needlessly punitive and at the same time advocating for excessively long punishments for white thought crime.

Every white on black crime is now treated as a potential hate crime and sensationalized as such regardless of evidence to the contrary (clear evidence such as libel cases being won against media companies pushing a false narrative).

Meanwhile legitimate racial-bias crimes against white victims are essentially never a hate crime by design even when the perpetrator is overtly racist to the point where they’re yelling racial slurs and/or have a history of posting racial tirades online. When people found Frank James YouTube account, the NY Times wrote “the shooting suspect left troubling videos online”. They intentionally buried the lede - being a black nationalist is more than “troubling”.

The criteria for a hate crime in various states essentially codifies the bar as lower for certain groups and higher for others. If the noble idea is to dissuade interracial and racially/ethnically/religiously/sexuality motivated crime, shouldn’t all hate crimes be punished accordingly? Shouldn’t we be able to look up simple things like what groups are committing interracial crimes without nefarious intervention from those who believe access to the data itself would might make people racist (this was literally the stated reason SF wouldn’t various info on BART transit crimes).

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dojijosu t1_j0zgs4e wrote

I knew to blow you off at “moonbat.”

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AuthorSnow t1_j0x4klh wrote

Hate crimes are as valid as hate speech

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gmcgath t1_j0zx7yu wrote

Agreed. Both are arbitrary categories that can be stretched or shrunk at will.

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Maldonian t1_j108si2 wrote

Exactly. If someone hurts me, and the act was illegal, I don’t care what his motivation was. No one should get neither lenience nor excessive punishment.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wby5m wrote

What an absolutely useless article. You'd think with so few actual crimes, they could list them out or something, provide some context. But no, number is up. Nothing about severity or anything like that. Could be 34 instances of graffiti targeting a "protected class" for all that article shows.

Never change, NPR.

Actually.. at least they linked it:

Destruction/Damage/Vandalism of Property:  16

Intimidation:  13

Simple Assault:  6

Aggravated Assault:  1

All Other Larceny:  0

Mostly minor stuff. I really dislike the "hate crime" concept. Shouldn't matter who you assault or intimidate or what-not, justice is supposed to be blind.

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petergriffin999 t1_j10gl7k wrote

Vandalism of property as a hate crime:

99% of those are by the supposed 'victim' themselves. And inevitably: "was just looking to start a conversation".

At this point, when you see "so-and-so college has 'go home xyz you're not wanted here!', go place a bet on it being written by the 'victim'. Often w 'signed, the KKK' at the end, for extra realism.

The demand for racism far exceeds the supply.

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smartest_kobold OP t1_j0wg97g wrote

Even if NH didn't allow the gay panic defense, this would be a stupid position.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wh98b wrote

Just like NPR, pointless blather with nothing of consequence.

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smartest_kobold OP t1_j0wwj5a wrote

If you can use bigotry to legally excuse a charge, I don't see why it also couldn't be used to add one.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wwz8g wrote

Who is using bigotry to excuse charges? If that's happening, that's something that should be addressed. The answer isn't to inflate charges, the answer is to correct whatever has gone wrong so that the proper charges aren't being laid.

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smartest_kobold OP t1_j0xdz5s wrote

I honestly can't tell if you're trying to argue against the concept of mens rea or the idea that crimes have been used to intimidate whole communities beyond individual victims, but stupid either way.

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vexingsilence t1_j0xf1wm wrote

You think communities aren't intimidated by other types of crime? FFS, in nearly every thread that comes up in this sub from someone looking to move to NH, people warn against Manchester in significant part due to crime. Does that make those crimes a higher class of offense?

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smartest_kobold OP t1_j0y17o4 wrote

If you think there's no difference between starting a campfire in somebody's woodlot and burning a cross in front of a black person's house, I do not think I can help you.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wi3vq wrote

Just like you on every post. You even had to correct yourself here because you didn't bother to read the article to begin with. Commence backtracking...

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vexingsilence t1_j0wihu8 wrote

Yea, I added more details after checking the links. Doesn't change the fact that the NPR article didn't go into details. Sorry for providing more information, must have ruined your day.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wj1wq wrote

You're the one who went out of your way to try to blindly defend criminals.

What do I have to add? Nazis in the streets of NH is not a direction I'm excited about. Whether you like the idea of "hate" crimes or not. Arguing the semantics is just deflection as far as I'm concerned.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wjfzs wrote

>You're the one who went out of your way to try to blindly defend criminals.

I'm defending victims. Crimes committed against someone shouldn't matter less because they're not the right type of victim.

> Nazis in the streets of NH is not a direction I'm excited about.

You'll be happy to know that we won WWII.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wk1cc wrote

If we won WWII why do we allow Nazis in our streets?

I know this is more deflection, I'm just curious.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wkjyh wrote

There are no Nazis in the streets. They were all defeated. What you're witnessing is a bunch of smooth brains that can't describe a problem without resorting to calling someone or a group of people the worst possible name they can think of, or in reverse, a group of smooth brains that want to seem tougher than they are calling themselves the worst possible name they can think of. The proper term would be "neo-Nazi", but still.. you seriously think they're out doing work for the fuhrer, or are they just a group of thugs?

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wl7g8 wrote

Oh so you're just taking issue with Nazi vs neo-Nazi? Tell me how you're not arguing semantics as a deflection tactic again?

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vexingsilence t1_j0wly6t wrote

You're ignoring the larger point and focusing on the minor. Justice should be blind, we should all be protected equally. If you just want to argue with me specifically and ignore the article, then piss off.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wnepi wrote

So when the neo-Nazis organize we shouldn't consider them a group and solely treat them as individual, even though they're saying "we're a neo-Nazi group that hates other groups"? Glad you're not a lawmaker...

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vexingsilence t1_j0wo9fq wrote

Is it any different than a violent street gang or a serious drug operation? Should a group like MS13 be treated less serious because they're not targeting a protected class, but a bunch of LARPers calling themselves neo-Nazis should be treated harsher? How does that benefit society? Why should justice not be blind in that kind of scenario?

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wowfx wrote

No, I don't think they should be treated less severely. I don't think anyone is suggesting that. What does that have to do with hate crimes increasing anyway? It's just an odd hill to die on here. Crime organizations that target protected groups should be punished to the full extent of the law. Protected classes are protected for a reason--they're already under duress for their situation. Intentionally targeting them, in my mind, is worse than a "standard" crime.

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vexingsilence t1_j0wqoc9 wrote

You're trying to have it both ways. You say it's a "worse crime" but that one shouldn't be treated "less severely". Which is it? Who's to say someone in a non-protected class hasn't had a worse life than a victim that was part of one?

I still don't see the logic or benefit to society in treating one as a more serious crime than the other. The acts committed are the crime. A victim shouldn't be seen as less of a victim because of who they are.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wrlsh wrote

So, what would you charge Nazis for a genocide of some millions of people? Just like, a standard homicide charge? We might have to agree to disagree on this...

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vexingsilence t1_j0wshzz wrote

Do we have a genocide of millions going on within our borders? I'm talking about present-day, domestic stuff that would be tried through the courts. What the heck are you going on about?

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wtrzl wrote

You're not talking any anything except in circles

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vexingsilence t1_j0wu6rq wrote

You're talking about genocides, I'm talking about our justice system and how we deal with criminal matters. This is why names matter. You've dragged actual Nazis into this even though that war is long over. It's 2022, this is a discussion about an article about crime statistics in NH.

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Definitelynotcal1gul t1_j0wuax7 wrote

Right, those statistics you'd like to ignore because you don't think neo-Nazis are "compentent" enough to be "real" Nazis. Again, I'll reiterate, I'm glad you don't make the laws.

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Low-Head-1493 t1_j0yt3wj wrote

Excellent job rolling out the whataboutism right on cue.

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gmcgath t1_j0zxk7g wrote

An increase from 19 to 34 spread over the state for a year is basically noise. Next year it might drop to 17 and people will brag the number was "cut in half." It doesn't mean much.

For a similar mistreatment of statistics from the right, see this piece on the Burlington, VT "crime wave".

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4ever48 t1_j14jopy wrote

The problem here is the reporter. He has a masters degree in public administration. He should have a degree in journalism. The whole article smacks of warmed over press releases. Good journalism demands context.

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AuthorSnow t1_j0wn6wt wrote

FBI is a corrupt police state…nothing they say is valid

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TreePointOhhhhh t1_j0x09zl wrote

“It Almost Looks Like The FBI Was Designed To Spy On Americans Who May Disagree With [Establishment] Policies, Especially Foreign Policy.”

Ron Paul prophetically called it 30 years ago.

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SamJackson01 t1_j0yizk7 wrote

“Federal cops look for citizens that break laws. Especially traitors.”

That’s arguably a better way to read that. Not that I agree with the FBIs practices, but quoting that is just an attempt at making rebellious thought more palatable.

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petergriffin999 t1_j10fzmw wrote

News today is pretty rough on the FBI -- they were paying Twitter for the ability to censor the political opinions they didn't agree with.

That's a heck of a lot different than looking for criminals.

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CDogNH t1_j0ynp8t wrote

FBI? LOL. Why would we believe anything coming from them? The place is rotten to the core.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j0z464v wrote

Bro you dropped your tin foil I picked it up for you

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mod-corruption t1_j0z8d1c wrote

Someone has a tin foil hat if they believe the FBI as an organization is full of shit? I hope you have a lot of extra tin foil

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TreePointOhhhhh t1_j0z99t1 wrote

Bro if you could somehow miraculously drop your spiked proteins, we’d happily return the favor

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CDogNH t1_j10fkto wrote

Never mind the tin foil, you need to remove your head from your ass. The mountain of evidence gets bigger by the day.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j10gkg7 wrote

Charlie from Always Sunny Called and he wants his schtick back

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CDogNH t1_j10p68e wrote

Never watched it. It was around long before that show.

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Remarkable_Culture97 t1_j10kgeu wrote

Anything out of a taxpayer funded left wing operation is suspect. Everything they claim is racist. Either that or due to climate change. Both a scam to divide. All tho's who support the FBI.... stop watching criminal news network and ms13dnc.

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