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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j31ji74 wrote

Reply to comment by goddammnick in Police shot Gilford teen allegedly armed with a knife within two minutes of arriving, call logs show by SweetFeetLivingston

I’m not sure people understand sarcasm, the internet is certainly a place where humans seem to want to act out their more dickhead-like proclivities.

Either that, or they’re the type of people who wax poetic about how our brave officers and troopers risk their lives every day, to keep us safe. How dare that be critiqued, right? Except we don’t expect them to risk getting cut to take down a SEVENTEEN year old kid.

Seventeen. Grown men, cops, who have absolutely no excuse not to be capable ragdolling this kid and taking him to jail, just ended his life before it even started…because they felt threatened? I just think that’s a bit pathetic, myself. They’re much better suited for complicating the lives of working people, going about their day over stickers and tail lights I guess.

Im not saying that police don’t serve a purpose. But, the vast, vast majority of people in jails and prisons are:

a.) Adults selling drugs to other adults who want to buy them and take them for personal use.

b.) People driving on suspended licenses.

That’s almost everyone locked up…maybe one actual person who shouldn’t be among other people in a thousand. I just think the role of law enforcement, and laws in general need to be re-evaluated.

And schmutz lol

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RedLeafRoy t1_j31ry3w wrote

  1. You make it sound like the easiest job in the world. They're always hiring (can't find anyone to do the job). Sign up today. Show us all how it's done.
  2. I don't know the specifics here. The 17 year old could have been a 6 foot, 200 lb + male. The police officer could have been 5 foot, 100 lb female. Identity politics hires gives everyone the good feelz, but then there are real life issues. It's one thing with a desk job, and another for this kind of work.. You hire someone sans ability to do the job and then they can't do their job.
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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j32915w wrote

All good points.

I don’t think I said anything about the job being easy. Just that if you look at it from a distance, the majority of police work done in our society serves the purpose of creating criminals out of harmless people more so than it does to deal with situations like this one. And when these things happen, there’s training issues.

I’m also not saying it’s the fault of the actual officers, themselves. More so that the justice system and the laws it enforces exists primarily to fill the State’s coffers, rather than represent the interests of the People it “serves.”

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Vivid-Construction93 t1_j34hj2p wrote

I mean i did a little tldr on this but yes they are grown men and physically capable of taking this kid down especially if they communicate well and use distractions but all it really takes is one lucky shot with the knife for him to kill at least one of them. Then what? either way someone dies? There more than likely was a better option to be chosen it just clearly wasnt.

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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j34r9xw wrote

Not to be antagonistic, or anything. That other guy brought up the point of “Well it could have been a big ole 17 year old and it might have been a little ole lady who shot him dead” Maybe, but the report I read stated that the perp was tasered by one officer, then shot by another.

I’ll lay it down right here, the NH State Troopers are badasses. How many of them, strapped and armored up do you think came out of that Trooper van in the picture? Let alone every on duty town cop and possibly (maybe) Sheriff in the area.

But yes, good point. A cop doesn’t deserve to die over some kid that someone called upon said cops. But, said cops have taken on theoretical responsibilities to “protect and serve.”

On a side note, knives are much more threatening psychologically, than they are in practicality. Especially with Kevlar, and a gaggle of mutually motivated participants against it.

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Vivid-Construction93 t1_j34saft wrote

Id argue the knife statement a bit but thats not what id say is the root of the discussion. Things im curious about is the previous mental health calls that came out in the news and what was the cause/outcome and the toxicology report just for the small chance this teenager was under the influence of a substances capable of allowing him to push through a taser

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Vivid-Construction93 t1_j34skr7 wrote

Ill also add im not exactly pro cop but i will absolutely admit its an extremely stressful and nuanced job that often in the public eye has no right answers

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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j34uxoo wrote

I think if the cops are called, and some kids running around with a knife, there’s definitely drugs involved.

My only problem with nuance being gifted to law enforcement, is that nuance is not gifted to law breakers in reciprocation.

As for the knife thing, grappling with someone who has a weapon isn’t a whole lot different from grappling with someone who doesn’t. If you’re close to the person and have an underhook on the armed arm, there’s not a lot of leverage for them to kill you with. Definitely hurt you, but then again, there’s a bunch of other guys around you to help out…or how about this: PCP may be able to beat a taser, but not the physics of non-lethal projectile weapons, which exist.

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Vivid-Construction93 t1_j34zvqp wrote

Ehhh i understand that to a degree on the lawbreakers end but i think i mostly understand your sentiment. As far as the knife id say that also very much depends on the knife and your argument involving a bordering required circumstance of getting the underhook theres not much stopping you from catching a blade to the throat or another vital area

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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j352hyz wrote

True, especially if the person is very tall. But still, rubber bullets. For fucks sake, they knew where they were going, and for what purpose. If someone were to tell me that there’s not a gas that’s been devolved that they could just launch in the window and go fetch him up, I would be flabbergasted.

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notchrisgoldecker t1_j4t6bln wrote

I will say that I knew him and he didn't weigh more than 140 lbs. The "perp" wasn't some big bad ass

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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j4tcycu wrote

I think you misunderstand the direction of my comment.

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notchrisgoldecker t1_j4uvyjj wrote

I apologize then.

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11_Wolfie_11 t1_j4y14a6 wrote

No need. I think I said a bunch of stuff on this thread that was downvoted to the point where it’s out of view. But thats not really important.

You are, however, in a unique position to put a truth out there that nobody else will otherwise hear.

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goddammnick t1_j31jn5f wrote

So, you were being sarcastic?

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NathanVfromPlus t1_j31wsel wrote

Generally speaking, I'd say sarcasm seems like a more likely situation than that they sincerely believe killing a kid in distress makes cops the "best of the best".

But then again, this is a NH sub.

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