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rockmasterflex t1_jeexfx4 wrote

NJ State Pop: over 9 million

This article: OMG 11k people moved inside the state to probably bigger houses!

I don't always write news articles, but when I do its to talk about how .0001% of the population of NJ may have moved to a different zip code in the state.

ALSO migration is only mildly related to population, even at the county level. I see a lot of commenters not understanding this?

In 2010 even (data here: https://www.state.nj.us/health/chs/hnj2020/documents/demog.pdf) The birth rate in NJ was about 300 new residents per DAY.

PER DAY.

PER DAY.

@ 13 births per 1000 people.

You think Essex, Passaic and Bergen county cant lose 11k people/families from moving and not simply have that replenished AND EXCEEDED by their birth rate?

Absolute nothingburgers here. If you think people are LEAVING NJ in droves, feel free to buy up all those vacant, price-collapsing houses they're leaving behind! Oh wait!

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lost_in_life_34 t1_jef1twz wrote

Most likely college age kids leaving to go to school elsewhere

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sutisuc t1_jefnp1t wrote

Yup we are the largest exporter of college age kids to other states. Not a great look

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rockmasterflex t1_jefoxkx wrote

Why would that be a bad look? It has little to do with our schools and everything to do with young adults wanting to experience life literally anywhere else than their parents chose to sow roots because rebellion.

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sutisuc t1_jefp2ki wrote

That’s quite an assumption to make, what are you basing that on? Why aren’t other states doing it more than us?

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rockmasterflex t1_jefrgq9 wrote

Other states are generating less college students period. Unless you break everything down and normalize it by population and density and demographics these numbers tell you nothing

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sutisuc t1_jefrw2b wrote

Less total college students? Or per capita? Can you share some sources to back up your claims?

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rockmasterflex t1_jefsr5p wrote

There’s not gonna be one source that can outline all the socioeconomic and geographic complexities that goes into “how people graduating from high school pick colleges” but here’s some (old) data around high school graduation rates and enrollment in a college anywhere across all the states http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?submeasure=63&year=2010&level=nation&mode=data&state=0

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sutisuc t1_jeftnvs wrote

Looks like New York sends a similar amount of kids to college (when you adjust for their population compared to ours). How come so many New Yorkers stay in state compared to us? Less rebellious kids?

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rockmasterflex t1_jeftzuk wrote

Young adults want to go to schools with night lives. NYC is right there!

NYC: many schools, “top” city in the US according to many, tons of nightlife

NJ: nobody wants to be in Newark. New Brunswick is okay…. And wait what big colleges do we have in cities outside Newark? Oh right all the ones in… NYC… which is not in NJ

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sutisuc t1_jefukph wrote

New York is on the list but ranks lower than PA and DE. This also gets into the main reasons kids leave the state: cost. It’s more expensive to go to in state schools here than it is to go to a lot of private schools in other states. You really have to actually do some research before assuming.

https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/education/2022/08/28/nj-students-favorite-colleges-universities/65413836007/

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rockmasterflex t1_jefuuc5 wrote

How do you figure? If you commute in state it can’t possibly be cheaper to move out of state to go to school. State school rate in NJ is pretty dang affordable until you add in housing

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sutisuc t1_jefv1ay wrote

I figure by actually researching a topic before formulating an opinion on it. Try doing it and you’ll be able to do the same

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sutisuc t1_jefuweu wrote

DE is famously an urban Mecca. Gtfo out of here

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lost_in_life_34 t1_jefu94t wrote

NY has a huge state university system, NYC has a huge city university system, there is NYU and a bunch of other schools in NY

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sutisuc t1_jefuspt wrote

Yup you got it. It’s also much cheaper to go to those schools in state than it is to go to the equivalent schools in state in NJ. The schools in NY are much better than the equivalents in NJ too. This guy is just going off of vibes to form his opinions lol

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LarryLeadFootsHead t1_jegmnzw wrote

Correct answer and I don’t get why people arguing with you. You gotta be out of your mind or have the Stockholm syndrome of the RU screw that as a whole “state schools in NJ are cheap”.

You’re right in bringing up merits of SUNY system, there’s a lot of conventionally good schools there that don’t exactly break the bank as bad.

Idk I get state pride and all that but yeah there’s more out there.

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sutisuc t1_jegnig9 wrote

Yeah it’s truly baffling but this guy is just making idiotic arguments based on his own feelings so I don’t put much weight in it anyway. And agreed I love NJ but there’s no sense in papering over our issues and pretending they’re not a thing. How else are we gonna improve them otherwise?

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OscarThePitBull t1_jefv6m8 wrote

No man it’s a bad look. These kids leave and some don’t come back. Strikes me as total folly that we don’t do more to retain them in state. Highly educated college graduate young people are the most productive people in the country from an ROI stand point.

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Linenoise77 t1_jef7nzg wrote

> You think Essex, Passaic and Bergen county cant lose 11k people/families from moving and not simply have that replenished AND EXCEEDED by their birth rate?

I think you have a couple of dense, impoverished towns in essex and passaic, where you may have seen some migration due to increased wages. In Bergen you really only have hackensack & englewood. Englewood i could see, hackensack is on an upswing. Maybe decreased migration to Ft.Lee\palisades park or first generation moving on from there? hard to say.

Bergen maybe you have older folks moving out, but pretty much anything in any of the bergen towns is quickly gobbled up. My house has still gone up in value post-pandemic and interest rate hikes when i look at recent comps.

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