i just spent $60000 for dual zone AC and combi boiler and water heater. top of the line inverter heat pumps, variable speed air handlers, 96 AFUE boiler. company did an amazing job and install took 4 days.

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you can go cheap with single stage and regular 80 AFUE boiler but then you're not going to save money when the rates go up soon

You're not looking at relevant costs, which are related to solar load insulation, and volume (which can be estimated from floor area)

My 1900sf house had ac and furnace replaced separately, for about that price.. and it was a high efficiency unit (95%, if I recall)

I doubt anyone would break out the thermocouple unless it was the only defective part.

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I am about to get one more estimate tomorrow for comparison.

New cap is like $40, average blower motor maybe around $300-500, fan limit control around $120, thermocouples are like $15. That being said with an old unit you could put that money into it just for the heat exchanger to crack a week or two later and you'd need to buy a whole new unit anyway.

My house is roughly around 1400sf and estimate replacement cost for 80% efficient unit. Initial estimate was $20k and after all discount, it cam to $14k cost.

Lol guy telling you a thermocouple is $500 is crazy. A thermocouple costs about $10-20, takes about 5 minutes to put replace. Of course people need to make money, even if the labor was $150 for travel, etc, and they marked up the material to $50, its $200 at the absolute most.

Same with the capacitor, it’s a $10-20 part. Blower fan assembly is a couple hundred bucks for a brand new one.

People are trying to pillage on prices because they can in the current market.

Taking a guess at the tonnage of your AC unit, the replacement cost like for like should be about $9-10k range. The equipment and materials is about $3000-6000 depending on sizes, two guys for the day is about $1000 in labor, $6k costs, 50% markup. $9-10kish.

I hope there was more to that job than just that equipment. Combi boiler is about $3k, top of the line heat pumps at best are about $7-9k each. Two guys for a week costs about $8k in labor, add a couple grand for material. Costs in the $25-30k range. 100% markup on everything across the board.

Get more than two estimates. Steer clear of large firms, they have a large overhead to feed.

Agree with this

I think my boiler was 150,000 BTU so it's closer to $10,000 online for a 96% efficient unit before the installation

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there was a bunch of people installing it for 4 days. all new condenser lines, electrical, new pipes for the boiler and water heater, etc. much better job than the previous owners I bought from where the wires to the condenser were twisted together

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on hvac direct I priced out the hardware at around $28000 or so just for the condensers, air handlers and boiler. add the accessories and the labor and the extras like UV lights, thermostats, new valves, etc

We paid $15k over the summer for the same thing with Meyer & Depew. The price is eye watering, and PSE&G quoted a bit more. We're happy with the new system and we were happy with the install.

150k combi boiler is still around $3k. They’re simply not that expensive, unless you need to buy multiple ones to manifold together. They’re all 96% efficient.

I understand you did your due diligence on it but hvac contractors don’t buy from hvac direct.

I’m glad you got a good install out of it.

I talked to 6 companies total. 2 never gave me quotes. 2 gave me what I didn't want. the two I considered the heating part was similar and they quoted me $15000 for a boiler replacement for a combi boiler and all new pipes, venting, etc.

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the difference was the AC. at first I was going to go with bosch heat pumps but then changed to amana cause bosch supposedly has humidity issues

To replace a gas (steam) boiler with a like machine was $7000+.

I swapped out my steam boiler, water heater, and steam radiators with a condensing wall mounted Rinnai boiler and water heater (single combination unit) + new hot water radiators for about $20,000. Saved so much space in my basement OMG.

What brand is your combi boiler? I went with Rinnai. I love it.

That thermocouple quote is a red flag for sure. They are like $10 at any hardware store and take a few minutes to swap out. Not to mention a burnt thermocouple on it's own shouldn't cause any issues I'm aware of besides occasionally turning off the gas supply by accident and forcing you to relight the pilot.

NTI

Even has WiFi and an app to control water temperature

deltahvacnj@gmail.comsend me your info- copy of estimate/ equipment. i can do way better for you price wise

Estimate was for carrier 2.5 ton AC and comfort model furnace high efficiency. Technician just gave me estimate number but didn't provide estimate copy. I'll send you an estimate copy once I'll receive it.

Are your ducts not in good condition that they want to change them? We paid $25k in 2019 for 2x 2.5 tons ACs and 2x furnaces, electrical, permits, new gas line ran to the attic (never ran before), and new ductwork for the attic system (older flex duct was all ripped and brittle). Bergen county, NJ.

Exactly right. A thermocouple with a lot carbon build up may not make 100% of the time but they’re pretty robust, they’re always blackened a bit since they live inside a flame.

At 30-32 years old its time to retire the furnace... $4k is nearly the price of a new unit although you'd have to replace the DX coil and condensing unit too. Advances in energy efficiency like inverter compressors, electronically commutated motors (ECM motors), and condensing furnaces will greatly reduce your energy bills allowing you to recoup some money from the initial install.

Ducts: might be able to get away with cleaning and checking for leaks. However if they are as old as the furnace they likely have a decent amount of leaks and the insulation is not as good. Leaks and bad insulation increase your utility bills.

If your AC is also that old or 10+ years old it could be using R-22 refrigerant which was phased out long ago. Very very expensive to maintain R-22 systems. R-410A is what is being used now, but that is also being phased out within a year.

All of those heat pumps have humidity issues. The DX coils in them are simply too thin to dehumidify the air properly. They're not meant to dehumidify fresh air. Also nearly all indoor heat pumps are manufactured by the same company in China: Gree Electric.

Ducts look like good condition but it's a very old so technician is recommending to replace as well

That's right. I am also looking to replace rather than bandaging old system. I thought max would be 7-9k for replacement cost including labor cost, permit,etc.. I guess I'll shop around and find out if I can get better deal.

Get 3 quotes from different companies, don't ask us. Anyone who tells you what your system should cost without looking at your system is pulling numbers out of their ass.

I miss my combi boiler. Unlimited hot water, and free hot water in teh winter

Amana is USA but the parent is a Japanese company and Bosch is made by midea in China and just rebranded as Bosch

And the three quotes should be similar equipment

In homeowners people say to do this and everyone goes and gets quotes and they are all different from each other

Yes, that’s a great point I overlooked!

Had my 29 year old system replaced about 3 weeks ago. The quoted price is right in the ballpark. You will usually get some rebates from the manufacturer, the gas company and the electric company. Mine offered a 18 month 0% financing. I love the new system, it is SOOO quiet. Wasn't thrilled with the cost, but my old system didn't owe me anything.

Call C&C Heating - they've always had the best price for us.

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Anyone but AJ Perry they will kill you with a bill

Find someone else to do the work for you. I replaced my own AC capacitor for a couple of bucks. Thermocouple should be similar, add a few more for labor if needed. Sounds like they won't leave the home of office for less than $500.

Find someone else to give estimates for repair and replacement, and do the work.

Yeah. This quote was from A J perry.

I’m telling you do not use AJ Perry. They soaked us pretty good and I’ve had 2 companies come in to fix what they did since. Last week I had my new company come in and address a leak from the new heater stack. Guy told me there was no sealing at all, he even asked before I told him was this AJ Perry? Every HVAC person I talk all say the same thing. Overcharges & poor workmanship