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kstinfo t1_j850ccf wrote

For the sake of argument let's say people can work longer because they live longer. That, however, does not diminish the years those people have contributed to society by their efforts and endeavors. By all accounts today's workforce is more productive than in the past. Using that as a metric the retirement age should be reduced.

But all of that is aside from the real intent of those who wish to raise the retirement age. The fund needs to be increased. And the wealthy want the non wealthy to pay for it.

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Ftpini t1_j85ibzl wrote

This is the whole problem with “reforms”. They’re not reforms so much as they’re just cuts. Reform can make sense if done fairly. Cuts are abhorrent and should be blocked if at all possible.

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krad-31337 t1_j87etvv wrote

Sadly, productivity gains can't offset the simple fact that there are fewer and fewer workers paying into the system to support each retiree.

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kstinfo t1_j87r9id wrote

I don't know about France but in the US the limit for withholding will be raised to $160,200 this year. That means a person claiming a yearly income of $2,000,000 will contribute the same as a person claiming $160 grand.

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Matttthhhhhhhhhhh t1_j8n56p0 wrote

>The fund needs to be increased.

The retirment system is not failing in France though, contrary to what the gvt wants people to think. But if money is missing, maybe they can start by not giving huge subventions to companies that are not struggling financially (quite the opposite actually). Billions are spent every year to help private companies. But obviously Macron and his cronies are more willing to crush the middle class than force the rich to contribute.

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RonBourbondi t1_j868r3x wrote

This is why I will never trust the government for my retirement. Just give me the money instead and I will toss it into an ETF.

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macross1984 t1_j85tuyv wrote

The wealthy class have taken disproportionate amount of money from working class. Therefore, taxing higher amount will not hurt them except that their overall wealth will shrink but more than enough to live in life of luxury.

Of course, they would rather keep all their wealth instead of sharing some.

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Matttthhhhhhhhhhh t1_j8n5g6r wrote

The gvt of Macron is almost a caricature of the bourgeois. They live in a bubble and couldn't care less about the working class. Back when Sarkozy was president, I thought it would be very difficult to have a worse gvt, but Macron proved me wrong.

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