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kmart_s t1_jdd5xbp wrote

Reply to comment by Manitoba357 in Toronto MP Han Dong quits Liberal caucus amid Chinese interference allegations by chemicologist

While I'd like to be optimistic that this may actually go somewhere...

Remember that this guy has had several ethics violations as well as the whole WE charity bullshit just disappear into the void.

He's just as corrupt as the next politician but for whatever reason walks on water to his followers.

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Manitoba357 t1_jddbacr wrote

The problem with the WE Charity thing is that most people didn't really understand the implications. When I talked with some friends/coworkers about it they were like "just politicians arguing about tax dollars, what else is new". That's the perception the average Canadian seemed to have.

This is different however. People who barely pay attention to politics are throwing the word "treason" around.

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HumorUnable t1_jdf3exe wrote

Trudeau is the Canadian Trump: not in ideology, but in the way that he has a large base that will vote for him literally no matter what he does.

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ChalupaCabre t1_jdg74lh wrote

We don’t vote for Prime Ministers.

We vote for local representation. The only reason I vote Liberal is because NDP in my riding has no chance and the Conservatives are always looney toons that I definitely do not want representing me.

I don’t even like Trudeau… but he formed a government with the NDP based off the elected representatives winning in their ridings by votes for those candidates.

Maybe if the Conservatives could stop being so fucking fringe, I could vote for them and maybe other parties would want to work with them to form a government.

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kmart_s t1_jdhqp7d wrote

That's how it's supposed to work but many people DO vote based on the party leader. If people voted locally the makeup of government would likely be different.

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ChalupaCabre t1_jdhzm3z wrote

Well I would agree Liberals got some juice out the gates when they took Trudeau as leader.. and when Trudeau said they would legalize cannabis.

I dunno what they have now, except for a platform that they aren’t the crazy conservatives. And I would agree.

If we eliminated first past the post voting and used a system like ranked choice, we definitely would get a different government. For the time I think we will keep having a Liberal lead minority government.. the only way to stop it is with a majority conservative government and the Conservative don’t exactly seem to be getting away from crazy land with the shit they say and do.

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kmart_s t1_jdf3svy wrote

Not just that, but also in his divisive politics. It's amazing considering who his voting base is.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdg1wgn wrote

Project much?

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kmart_s t1_jdhqjdy wrote

Project what exactly?

I don't support any of the current parties or their leaders, so your perceptions are misguided.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdioyf6 wrote

Most people that call Trudeau 'divisive' are right wing 'fuck Trudeau' types who ironically attack anything they see as liberal. Maybe you aren't one of those and just bitch about everyone equally. And that's probably fair. A bit useless, but fair.

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kmart_s t1_jdipxge wrote

Why is it useless?

Look, you've categorized people into right or left. Can I not say fuck Trudeau and not identify as having a right leaning political ideology?

If people looked beyond the right and left aspects of politics they may see just how most politicians are pieces of shit equally.

Trudeau IS divisive, he plays both sides against each other and members of his own party said as much during the convoy protest. Does that mean pp is any better? Fuck no.

Judge them based on the merits of their actions. Their political party is irrelevant. If people actually did that, it would be a lot less useless and maybe government could achieve things for the greater good of society.

Left or right, we're all humans.... and at the end of the day we mostly want the same things. Politicians are the ones convincing you otherwise.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdix2g3 wrote

Useless because if you can't determine the lesser of evils, you give equal support to the worst.
And no, 'fuck Trudeau' is an immature slogan adopted by right wing crazies. You shout that and you are a right wing crazy supporter.
I agree that policies are what should matter, but if you look at the 'right' parties in canada, they encompass such a variety of policies from the moderate financial conservatives to the nut job conspiracy crazies. That is the political entity that one would vote for or against, and so without a coherent policy, one can only refer to them as 'the right'.

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kmart_s t1_jdizso9 wrote

Political campaigns are contests between terrible options... so what's your point? Newsflash, people don't vote FOR governments. They vote against the current one.

Fuck Trudeau is an expression of frustration with the person, it doesnt specifically mean anything about someone's political leanings. Yes, popularized by right wing nut jobs... doesnt invalidate its meaning.

Are you offended by the Canadian flag because it was used as a symbol by the trucker convoy? If not, are you a right wing crazy?

In 2015, a man was stopped and fined for displaying a 'fuck harper' sign in his car. Was he a left wing crazy? The senate page (2011?) who held up a sign saying stop harper... a left wing crazy?

Despite what you write next, I know that you don't see those things as anything but noble acts to voice displeasure with a political figure...

Trudeau ignored what could potentially be a foreign government meddling with our nation from within his own party and doubled down on it being racist to even think that. If that isn't far left woke bullshit I don't know what is. Strategy aside, it was wrong to take that stance regardless of the party involved.

He's just as bad as polliviere but you can't see or wont admit it. The whole reason this brand of politics works is because people like you buy into it.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdjbajy wrote

People may vote against the government, but they are fucking stupid to do that when the alternative is worse.
'Fuck Trudeau' is an expression of idiocy; feel free to use it if you like to be viewed as an idiot. Yes I am offended that the clownvoy assholes corrupted the Canadian flag. It will take time for it to recover.
Someone displaying 'fuck Harper' is an immature twat. They shouldn't have be fined, but there was no particular ideology represented by that phase other than its face value so it was not as bad as someone waving 'fuck Trudeau' flags indicating that they are part of a moronic redneck gang.
Trudeau may have allowed Chinese Canadians to get involved in politics and thus indirectly allowed some CPP influence. There's an investigation happening now; a public inquiry wouldn't get any more info (probably less) and would be very expensive.
Trudeau is not 'just as bad as pp' and that's where your 'both sides' argument makes you useless and finds you effectively supporting right wing nut jobs.

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kmart_s t1_jdjch5r wrote

It is your perception the alternative is worse. He's never been PM so how do you know? Because he's a conservative?

So Fuck Harper = guy making a statement, fuck Trudeau = redneck clown. Do you honestly believe you're not biased?

Pierre Trudeau ignored CSIS, then cried racism when it became public. Tried to stonewall any investigation by assigning a family friend as a special rapporteur (whatever that is), then jag has to threaten his supply agreement to allow a chief of staff to testify before the latest leak happened... and this is just one incident.

Your golden boy is a corrupt piece of shit, deal with it.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdjpvsi wrote

For someone who claims not to be left or right, you sure seem to carry water for rightwing turds a lot.

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Kristalderp t1_jdj2f4p wrote

People are getting fed up with Trudeau not because they're right wing, but because he's useless and all about his good image and PR than Canadians. He's all talk but no work to show for it.

We have a lot of issues right now in our country that should be talked about and spoken about, but Trudeau dodges every single question and/or calls you a racist when you bring up important problems like this (CCP interference in elections and politics) as talking about such an issue could implicate him and his party with some dirty laundry.

Hence why a lot of Canadians are paying attention as this is the CSIS talking and they gave this information to a trusted journalist who broke the news years ago about casinos in BC and them laundering money for the CCP.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdjpc9m wrote

No, people are being manipulated by right wing media making them get a hate on for Trudeau and hyperbolizing issues into faux scandals and then ignoring or dismissing the good work he's done.

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Kristalderp t1_jdjrbph wrote

My hate for Trudeau was 100% caused by me listening to him blabber on. I regret voting for him as he's done nothing for us but goes to the moon and back for other countries instead of helping our failing healthcare infrastructure or making initiatives on building new homes that we should of been building since the 1980s.

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SN0WFAKER t1_jdkrr4g wrote

Those things are provincial jurisdiction. He's given money for healthcare that's been purposefully wasted by right wing provincial governments who want the system to fail so they can privatize it and make coin. You have just proved that you hate Trudeau for no reason. Maybe some self reflection is in order?

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