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hamsterfolly t1_jd6f8qz wrote

From the article:

The Justice Department has convinced a federal judge that former President Donald Trump used one of his defense attorneys in furtherance of a crime or fraud related to the existence of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The finding – part of a major ruling Friday from Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court – makes clear for the first time that the Justice Department is arguing it has evidence that Trump may have committed a crime. And Howell ruled that prosecutors met the burden to overcome Trump’s right to shield discussions with his lawyers normally protected under attorney-client privilege.

The evidence would likely be significant in the obstruction probe being pursued by special counsel Jack Smith’s team. It also underscores how critical the testimony of Trump’s defense lawyers would be in the federal grand jury investigation.

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Projectrage t1_jd6liv4 wrote

I believe he will skate, but he’s screwed in Georgia state.

Please know we don’t want to martyr him, FYI Hitler went to prison and rose to power.

History doesn’t repeat, but rhymes pretty fucken well.

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zrleonard187 t1_jd7cp6z wrote

Also hitler was mid 30's when he went to jail. Trump is old.

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nagrom7 t1_jd8bzbo wrote

Hitler also only ended up going to prison for a few months, which was a total slap on the wrists for staging an attempted coup.

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AfraidStill2348 t1_jd9kka5 wrote

But he's going to live to be 200 years old...

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Four_in_binary t1_jd9vx8o wrote

Why DO the complete and utter assholes live so long?

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Aloysius_Chinigan t1_jddrei6 wrote

No guilt and no shame,. most likely. They've got no trouble sleeping soundly at night, which does a lot in the stress department.

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coconutfun t1_jd7f0g1 wrote

I don't think you have to worry about Trump writing in jail.

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phabphour20 t1_jd7jp8j wrote

What does a guy who doesn't read do in prison?

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poorbeans t1_jd8aj7p wrote

You could have stopped at "I don't think you have to worry about Trump writing" even if he has crayons.

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olivicmic t1_jd90apb wrote

Didn't his previous book/s use ghostwriters? Achieving fascism through contractors would be very American.

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Burnbrook t1_jd7dndl wrote

Hitler wasn't in his 70's when he was arrested.

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Chadmartigan t1_jd9p7g4 wrote

Yeah, for that reason I'm doubtful that Trump will actually see the inside of a prison cell. Even a straightforward case like the Stormy Daniels thing could be stretched out to two years pretty easily. Trump is 76 (77 in a few months), and nature abhors 300-pound septuagenarians.

That said, it's enough for me that he spends the rest of his life dodging process servers and sitting in courtrooms/lawyers' offices, burning his supporters' money all the while. At this point, any sentence would be a pittance compared to the harm he has caused. So at this point, I just want the process to be as personally miserable as possible while causing the maximum amount of damage to his party and his base.

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nola_throwaway53826 t1_jd8i6p4 wrote

He may not be screwed in Georgia. The state is working on a law, Georgia House Bill 231, to remove prosecutors and district attorneys from their posts.

Copied from CNN: House Bill 231 would create the "Prosecuting Attorneys Oversight Commission, which shall have the power to discipline, remove, and cause involuntary retirement of appointed or elected district attorneys or solicitors-general."

So Trump may skate charges in Georgia once this becomes law and they remove the prosecutor.

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Projectrage t1_jd8kryk wrote

We need oversight, whatever politics you have…people need to be informed of this bad bill.

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BadMedAdvice t1_jda12vh wrote

An unelected office with the ability to remove elected officers sounds like a generally bad idea.

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KickupKirby t1_jd7dze2 wrote

Okay, no martyring, got it. But how about tar and feathering?

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blackbeautybyseven t1_jd86ygs wrote

Hitler was a lot younger and a lot more intelligent.

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RollerDude347 t1_jd99etx wrote

Hitler wasn't really that smart. He had a few smart people around him but in the end he mostly chose crazy, yes-men to listen to. I mean think about his strategy going into the war. It was basically just... hit them really fast before they can react. "They" being most of the other world powers all at once. He started losing as soon as the opposition forces got their feet under themselves.

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1d0m1n4t3 t1_jd88zhz wrote

My two cents that isn't even worth that much. He will get inedited but it will take years to wrap up. In the mean time the GOP will shelf him for 2024, then Trump will run independently and split the Republican's vote between him and the GOPs candidate, thus allowing the Dems to put in who ever they want.

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BadMedAdvice t1_jda1luv wrote

Counting on the republicans to screw themselves is how trump got in office in the first place. They will absolutely rally around whoever wins the primary. They do not care about choosing the best candidate, or any other silly concepts like competence. Only about doing whatever it takes to hurt you.

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1d0m1n4t3 t1_jda2dhg wrote

I mean I'm not counting on it by any means just my thoughts on what will happen. Either way we all need to vote, ideally for the Dems..

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dogsent t1_jd8mfti wrote

Trump abused Michael Cohen and we see how that turned out, so far. If Trump’s lawyers turn on him in the documents case that could be the testimony that convicts Trump on those charges.

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