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evert198201 t1_iqq8o4m wrote

In Nov. I will be paying 2.80 EUR per cubic meter (variable contract), in comparision, my GF pays 0,70 EUR because back in 2020 she took a 4 year contract for fixed prices. Electric is 3x higher also. I am paying around 0,70EUR kwh. I am lucky, my appartment is from 2017, very well isolated, etc. also I will not have a problem paying the bills with even higher prices but I really can imagine a lot of people will get into trouble as soon as winter kicks in.

just a small reminder: keep in mind that here in the west we have a huge social safety net, I don't think people will die/suffer/homeless, it's more like people will be keeping themself warm indoors with extra clothing and will have less money left to spend on other things. Even the people who will end up getting into debts will not just lose their house and die under a bridge in the freezing colds ..

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zeromadcowz t1_iqqwvn3 wrote

I live in Northern Canada on an isolated grid with about 40,000 people on it and I complain about my 20 cents CAD per kWh lol. (~15 cents USD).

Still cheaper to heat with oil.

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Watthefuq882 t1_iqqijcz wrote

This isn’t the topic of discussion but electric where I live is nuts too. A tiny house is about 850$ a month

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Direct_Rabbit_5389 t1_iqqq8f6 wrote

Energy prices in California are high by design. It's to encourage you to make efficient decisions and use less. Same way as how even before this crisis fuel was much more expensive in Europe due to fees and taxes.

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Direct_Rabbit_5389 t1_iqt86mq wrote

Does orange country pay less than half of San Diego? Both using the same gas provider? I'm surprised to hear that. Prices in the bay area were in the mid 40c per kWh when I lived there five years ago and folks in sf were the same. I assumed this was due to sin taxation.

Fwiw brief googling doesn't find anything to support the claim that OC is cheaper than San Diego. Con ed time of use rates are quoted state-wide here: https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/your-bill/time-of-use Can you provide some source for your claim it's cheaper in OC?

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Direct_Rabbit_5389 t1_iqtd53r wrote

Oh. I guess I don't see the need for a conspiracy to explain why two different companies charge different prices for a commodity. They have different pipeline networks, presumably different infrastructure costs, etc.

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banditoreo t1_iqtsc1p wrote

Sempra does not own PG&E, it owns SoCal gas and SDGE, which are in Southern Ca.

SoCal Edison, is one of the many companies in SoCal, only with SDGE and LA DWP, that provide electricity. But Edison does not sell natural gas.

Best deal in SoCal is Long Beach city that does all three, water, gas, and electricity ....

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banditoreo t1_iqtrsws wrote

Edison is electricity. SDGE is both Gas and Electric. The poster was talking about electricity prices, not natural gas.

Orange Co gets natural gas from SoCalGas , different company.

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estrangedpulse t1_iqqbkbg wrote

2.8€ for m3 is high but not even close to worst. Most people who take new contract now get around 4€.

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Xactilian t1_iqqywwh wrote

Where I live in Manitoba, Canada, the current residential rate is about the equivalent of .15 euros per cubic meter.

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Squire_II t1_iqszyrb wrote

> keep in mind that here in the west we have a huge social safety net

*offer of huge social safety net not valid in US.

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