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occy3000 t1_it3p0cj wrote

Reply to comment by CosmoNewanda in Prosecution rests in Wisconsin parade suspect's trial by Thetimmybaby

Has a sovereign citizen ever seen a successful day in court? If not it’s not starting with this trial.

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MonsieurGideon t1_it3pslp wrote

No, their arguments are ridiculous.

If ever upheld, anyone could do anything without consequence.

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prailock t1_it436w5 wrote

Former Wisconsin public defender, so many sovereign citizens in the rural areas. Funniest objection I ever saw was during a prosecutor's closing argument where the defendant said "Objection!" and when asked to elaborate said his grounds were "That's a load of bullshit."

Brilliant.

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mmlovin t1_it47kk5 wrote

He doesn’t actually believe that sovereign garbage though. That “strategy” didn’t come up until like 1 day into the trial. Before that he had no problem going by his name. Even though in the interrogation tapes he pronounces it “Dah-rell” & now it’s “Der-rell.” Idk why no one has addressed that. & he says “relevancy” & “speculative” & called himself the “alleged defendant.” It’s driving me nuts that no one has pointed any of this out.

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prailock t1_it47st0 wrote

I mean, the dude's competency report came back as "not crazy, just a major asshole" so it's not surprising.

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mmlovin t1_it48il6 wrote

Ohh ya he is manipulative. It’s so evident after you watch the interrogation tapes. It’s just weird cause he does seem to be bothered by the fact he killed & injured by a bunch of people. There’s been teeny tiny amount of times where you can tell it bothers him a little bit. Then he immediately becomes an even bigger asshole.

This verdict is going to take like, 10 mins.

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Horknut1 t1_it4m2m2 wrote

I would really like, after the judge reads the jury’s charging instructions, for the judge to then say the jury is dismissed to deliberate, and the foreman saying “No need, your honor. We’re ready.”

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mmlovin t1_it4rkaz wrote

Well I hope they don’t do that cause that would mean they deliberated about it before they were allowed to lol

Them filing into the room & coming back out after like 2 minutes would be great. That’s just enough time to pick a foreman & count votes for guilty lol

It has happened before. I think the shortest I’ve heard is 10 mins or something

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Your_acceptable t1_it4xafl wrote

"Would it be fair to say" the man is an idiot?

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mmlovin t1_it4y7k0 wrote

Who is the man you are referring to? The alleged defendant? 🙄

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Macdevious t1_it3xzdh wrote

No. It's not even a recognized defense in any US court on any level. There's a litany of stories on google from people who actually track these morons that try the sovereign citizen defense and it never works. Hell, even the SPLC even talks shit about the people who try it.

My personal favorite is when someone tries it and it usually boils down to them trying to quote the Articles of Confederation as the justification for it. Problem is that the articles haven't been a legitimate legal document since the south lost the civil war.

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banjowashisnamo t1_it4ug99 wrote

How about when a Canadian or UK soc cit tried to invoke the UCC (United States Commercial Code)? That's always fun.

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bannana t1_it4bxwy wrote

> Has a sovereign citizen ever seen a successful day in court?

The Bundy's had some pretty good days

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