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forgedbygeeks t1_iya2pov wrote

So, for starters, this is no different that what is happening to anyone who gets caught crossing the border illegally, but suddenly its an issue because the people fleeing are from Russia?

We should definitely have a discussion about detention conditions and treatment of refugees, but it is kind of sickening that it takes a white couple from Russia to get a multi-page sob story about this when thousands of couples experience this exact circumstance every month and are instead treated as terrorists and invaders by the media.

Going further, Russia has a vested interest in getting more spies into the US right now. Just as an opening argument, I would fully expect anyone from Russia crossing and seeking asylum to be heavily scrutinized and detained initially while their stories and background are thoroughly investigated and validated.

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phoenixgsu t1_iya5bqe wrote

Showing up at the border and applying for asylum and illegally crossing and getting caught are two different things. Unfortunately these two get treated the same. Everyone applying for asylum should be afforded a chance to make their case and have reasonable accommodations or sponsorship.

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vlsdo t1_iyaig4e wrote

If showing up at the border and applying for asylum gets you in the same cell and just as deported as getting caught crossing illegally, might as well cross illegally, at least you have a chance of not getting caught. You can't except people to subject themselves to a broken process without any incentive to do so, especially desperate people like refugees.

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vlsdo t1_iybpql8 wrote

Immigration is broken? No worries, breaking the Geneva convention will solve it!

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Electrical_Tip352 t1_iydpc2s wrote

What the actual fuck? Like we’re north and South Korea? Or like about to leave a war zone in one of the shitholes we fought in (we made most of them shitholes btw)?

You want to lay mines across our border? To get all those evil unaccompanied minors and moms? Sometimes I can’t believe I fought for your right to say and think this shit. I’m very disappointed in america recently and this is why.

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Jobbyblow555 t1_iya5z59 wrote

This one always drives me nuts because I can't think of anyone who would make a worse spy than a refugee. One you have to go to the government and register as a refugee, which makes your chances of getting any valuable information low already. Two these people often have very few resources or connections in the country they are settling in so their ability to get a job at the state department or dow chemicals to feed useful info back to their government is hampered. And finally it's just easiest to send people who have business or diplomatic connections, it's much easier to get info on a nuclear reactor when your company can put in a bid to sell the gaskets for it.

Truthfully the insane amount of vetting and investigating of refugees is a holdover of the post 9-11 security state in which anyone could be a terrorist and we needed security theater to mollify the dumbest and most coddled people on the planet that they weren't gonna be blown up on their way to the 7-11.

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BMCarbaugh t1_iyb0bf7 wrote

The Russian government doesn't need to send false asylum applicants to get spies into the US. What the fuck kinda spying is an asylum applicant gonna do, anyway? Report on the color of the wallpaper at the local ICE office?

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forgedbygeeks t1_iyb1gfp wrote

You do know the goal is eventually to be allowed in the US and allowed to participate in society right?

Also, real life isn't a Hollywood movie. It's not usually just 1 spy that gets stuff done. They pass materials through layers to try and obscure who actually stole something before delivery to the government they are spying for. Even a fake asylum seeker could play a road in helping a government.

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