Submitted by hugglenugget t3_ypbzer in news
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivnxvva wrote
Reply to comment by evorna in China taking ‘aggressive’ steps to gut Canada’s democracy, warns Trudeau by hugglenugget
I don't know who needs to hear this, but people in China don't give a thundering fuck about how other countries run their government (until it affects China).
Chinese people aren't losing sleep at night over police brutality in the US, or whatever the fuck is going on in Canada's First Nation community. Those are US/Canada problems to fix.
So if a Chinese person is given the option to vote, who are they going to vote for? The person who's trying to scapegoat their race for a failure in the system? Or someone who wants better relations with China, their homeland.
evorna t1_ivnz25q wrote
Taiwanese should be encouraged to vote in other countries where they live, it’s not a race thing so don’t try to pretend the racism card. Equally Japanese, Koreans should be encouraged to vote
It’s deliberate Chinese/Russian dictatorship meddling and sabotage from brainwashed or corrupted members of those systems that need to be blocked from voting and let’s face it unless you have connections or benefitting from those dictatorships then you wouldn’t likely have had the means to leave those countries to go abroad in the first place
It’s also not a failure of the system that you conveniently added there, the system should be refined and improved, as should all systems… at least democracies can admit their failures and wear them on their slieve unlike dictatorships who have to censor mistakes and even disregard for sovereignty and ip
https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expands
Their disregard for other peoples hard work and investments
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivo2j7y wrote
Okay, a few things. You're saying Canadian citizens born in the mainland shouldn't be allowed to vote, because just by the nature of them being in Canada means they're already compromised.
Taiwan makes up 0.16% of China's population, so good luck. But all the hate crimes Asians suffer is just sticking it to Xi! Not like Canada has a history of rounding up Asians who might not be loyal enough.
evorna t1_ivo5siv wrote
I’ve seen the Chinese wumaos and nationalists call for the glassing of Taiwan just because it’s just a small amount of people (25 million) since they are expendable as there’s plenty of Chinese people who can take their place… I see indications of this leaning from your comment too
Taiwan is a separate country to china and is a flourishing democracy with high tech capabilities, decades ahead of china and its infantile authoritarian views…
There’s already been plenty of evidence of Chinese censorship attempts of spreading to free countries, meddling in democracies etc whereas there has not been evidence from Taiwan, japan, Korea etc
Also it’s Chinese dictatorship lies to associate anything negative toward them and their crimes against humanity as asian hate in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the truth of their own actions and you are a spreader of this disinformation
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivr90js wrote
> I’ve seen the Chinese wumaos and nationalists call for the glassing of Taiwan just because it’s just a small amount of people (25 million) since they are expendable as there’s plenty of Chinese people who can take their place
Cool anecdote. I'm sure there are, but I heard some Canadians call for the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs.
> I see indications of this leaning from your comment too
No. You're saying you want the Taiwan diaspora vote to compete with the mainland vote (assuming you don't get your wish for them to be stripped of voting rights) when it is less than 1%.
> Taiwan is a separate country to china
Oh cool, maybe going by Republic of China, celebrating China's national holidays, using China's flag, holding China's place in the international community for decades, using the map of China on all official military logos, holding a piece of mainland China, sticking Sun Yat-Sen's face on everything (who has never been to TW), etc. might lead people to believe they have been trying to be the real China.
> and is a flourishing democracy with high tech capabilities, decades ahead of china and its infantile authoritarian views…
Good for them, I like Taiwan. I like Taiwan more when they have amicable relations with Beijing, who they do most of their trade with. Before COVID, you could fly direct to Taiwan from mainland China, and even still you can find thousands of Taiwanese working in cities like Shanghai and Wenzhou. That's much more healthy than, let's say, America and Cuba, who are in a similar geographic situation.
Taiwan's democracy flourished during that time (1990s-2010s), before then it was a military dictatorship hell bent on taking back the mainland and holds the world record for longest martial law period.
Also, it's easier to develop a liberal democracy on an island half the size of Ireland, population of a Chinese city, homogenous population and a head start (untouched by WWII, part of Japanese Empire). And again, I'm not shitting on Taiwan.
> There’s already been plenty of evidence of Chinese censorship attempts of spreading to free countries
Try to make that sentence make sense.
> meddling in democracies
Ask any country in South America or Africa, and it's not China they're worried about in that regard. Name any coup in the past 30 years with China's fingerprints on it...
> whereas there has not been evidence from Taiwan, japan, Korea
Maybe you're too young to remember the Moonies, a South Korean cult that dominated the American and Asian far right. Taiwan is tiny as I said, but they have ordered a hit on Henry Liu in the 80s.
And Japan, if this was the 1980s, you'd be talking about the Japanese menace just as you are talking about China. Whenever a country looks like it's going to be a competitor of the US. Japan is now a subservient where they just let US military personnel have their way with the locals, because what are they going to do about it?
evorna t1_ivra5yf wrote
Haha what a pile of nonsense and deceptions… I’ll just highlight one refutal from personal experience. You cheated by omission…
My Chinese wife needed to go to Taiwan last time she was in china and she could not as a PRC passport holder leave china to fly directly to Taiwan over a year before Covid. We had to go to another country and fly to Taiwan from there due to the Chinese dictatorships infantile totalitarian approach to things when it doesn’t get its way - stop the normal Chinese people from flying directly from china to Taiwan
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivrc6fk wrote
Chinese citizens don't use their passport to fly to Taiwan, since neither side recognises eachother as a foreign country.
> All Mainland residents cannot travel to Taiwan on their passports when departing from Mainland China and must hold a Travel Permit to and from Taiwan (往來台灣通行證), colloquially known as Mainland Resident Travel Permit (大通證), issued by the Chinese authorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Taiwan
So the five times I was on a plane from China to Taiwan full of PRC citizens doesn't seem to match your girlfriend's experience.
If we are using anecdotes, my Indonesian friend was blacklisted from Taiwan and was given no reason.
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