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Accurate_Zombie_121 t1_iwv7jq5 wrote

"All cases are in unvaccinated children" I found the problem. And I know the solution.

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MagikSkyDaddy t1_iww15iy wrote

Charge the parents with endangering children and the community.

Their ignorance is a public threat.

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CPLCraft t1_iwvhm2y wrote

Snip anti-vaxers?

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danonymous26125 t1_iwwfwi2 wrote

Problem with measles, they may have "snipped" their children. At least the males.

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Iohet t1_iwwg3yx wrote

Antivaxxers don't have any particular association with circumcision I'm aware of, if that's what you're getting at

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danonymous26125 t1_iwwgbx2 wrote

No, a side effect of measles for boys is that it can result in infertility. I meant "snipped" as in sterilized. Their stupidity could prevent their kids from reproducing. Wait: I think I'm getting it mixed with mumps. Yeah, I was. Mumps, a disease vaxxed against alongside measles, can cause male infertility.

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mces97 t1_iwwwgzz wrote

Measles makes prior immunity to other viruses get wiped out. So, even if they got vaccinated for anything else, poof, all gone.

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Imaginary-Fun-80085 t1_iwwbryu wrote

I mean there's a lot of answers to this problem. Take their kids away. let the kids die. If they learn their lesson the next kids won't be in danger, if they don't then let more kids die or take more kids away.

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Sirerdrick64 t1_iwx6tky wrote

I read this as “snipe”
I’ll get hatred for saying it, but I’m fine either way.

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Aromatic-Ad7816 t1_iwxi8ay wrote

Not vaccinating children against measles, smallpox and polio needs to start being treated like child endangerment. Just because the parents are stupid enough to believe online nonsense and let irrational fear govern their choices doesn't mean we let the kids suffer for it.

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iqbalpratama t1_ix3fmtw wrote

> polio

I'm an Indonesian and after so many years of being declared "polio-free," we just had one new polio case in a child which "never received ANY vaccination." This happened in a highly conservative province where vaccination rates had been constantly plummetting for years......

We are this close to eradicating polio but these kind of things kept happening because some fool refused to vaccinate their kids due to whatever flawed logic / belief they had......

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meatball77 t1_iwxjc2p wrote

No one is vaccinated against smallpox

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Aromatic-Ad7816 t1_iwxjn9w wrote

I meant the other parts of MMR. Had just read an article about the eradication of smallpox. Disconnect between brain and fingers.

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meatball77 t1_iwxmhsr wrote

Mumps and Rubella. Rubella is a quite mild disease. Unless your are pregnant and then it will kill your baby.

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Aromatic-Ad7816 t1_iwxny5u wrote

Well conservatives are true to their names. They want to conserve how things used to be - a time where only half of children made it to 5 and a successful pregnancy was more or less a diceroll.

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meatball77 t1_iwxq0jw wrote

Freebirth, where it's ok if the kid is "born sleeping" because it's a good experience for the mother.

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tikierapokemon t1_iwxzoic wrote

Or you are like me and it triggers early onset arthritis, and you get the kind of arthritis your relatives have in their 50s at in your teens. (Rubella).

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Durdens_Wrath t1_iwy4euj wrote

> Had just read an article about the eradication of smallpox

Oh Im sure it will make a comeback, like polio

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BruisedPurple t1_iwx81i7 wrote

I couldn't get my kid into daycare or preschool without proof of an MMR vaccination , how did these parents pull it off?

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proteannomore t1_iwxiu71 wrote

My information may be outdated, but Ohio Revised Code had a provision that allowed a parent to opt out of mandatory vaccinations, if the parent/guardian claimed a 'medical, religious, or philosophical exemption'.

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[deleted] t1_iwyh26o wrote

Religion wants to be part of this then religion needs to start paying taxes

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HardlyDecent t1_iwz0wle wrote

Never mind that there are hardly any religions that actually forbid vaccinations or bathing or any other standard medical practices.

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continuousQ t1_iwyq6b7 wrote

Also stop imposing their beliefs on children. If they're not old enough to choose for themselves, then they are not of a religion.

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[deleted] t1_iwyr0yd wrote

“I dunked my new born baby and now they’re saved”

..sooo that kid can do whatever they want in life and they’ll go to heaven?

What about this 4 yr old, if he dies will he go to heaven? He wasn’t dunked yet.

I love religious rules.

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meatball77 t1_iwxj8y3 wrote

You just have to say you don't believe in them.

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robreddity t1_iwx0pf8 wrote

Please help CDC!

What the fuck are they supposed to do?

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missyanntx t1_iwxd8bv wrote

Right?!

Real answer, they'll probably help with contact tracing.

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unionthug212 t1_iwv9d8p wrote

Kids under 12 months can't get the vaccine, so...

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Accurate_Zombie_121 t1_iwv9wiy wrote

True and there are some people who can't get vaccinated. But the rest of the population being vaccinated protects those people. This is the results of "I did my own research on Youtube and won't protect my kids from diseases"

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Standard_Gauge t1_iwvaix8 wrote

> Kids under 12 months can't get the vaccine, so...

... so that's why it is the civic and moral duty for all humans aged 15 months and older to be vaccinated. The fewer carriers, the fewer babies contracting measles and facing deafness, encephalitis, and other complications including DEATH.

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dobryden22 t1_iwvap2j wrote

Its our curse as humans to learn the same lessons over and over and over again.

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VaIeth t1_iwvhjpo wrote

We are the only era to show our stupidity like this aren't we? Before people didn't get to take the vaccine cause it didn't exist.

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Imaginary_Medium t1_iwvma5j wrote

I think people were a little smarter about vaccines when polio vaccine became available. t was a big deal to my parents that we had miraculous vaccines in these modern times thanks to science, to protect kids. That seemed to be the attitude.

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Standard_Gauge t1_iwvr5ay wrote

> I think people were a little smarter about vaccines when polio vaccine became available.

The important thing is that everyone at that time knew someone who had complications from polio, some mild, some severe. This made them eager to line up for the vaccine when it became available. My uncle had a lifelong limp from polio, and considered himself lucky that it was just a limp and he lived a pretty much normal life. Same with Mitch McConnell, and forgetting whatever you think of his politics, is a polio survivor with some lifelong consequences (frequently falls on stairs, e.g.) and has never been an anti-vaxxer.

People today often don't know anyone who has had serious aftereffects from preventable diseases. Measles is a case in point. I am in my 60's and had measles as a young child way before there was a vaccine. Almost every child had measles at some point. I can still remember the high fever and I remember my eyes hurting a lot (might have had swelling or something) and my mom putting cold wet cloths over my eyes. As an adult I realized how lucky I was that that was the worst of it. My mom told me that one child in the neighborhood died from encephalitis caused by the measles.

The anti-vaxxers are giddy in their ignorance, and actually believe measles is a nothingburger that every child sails through in a few days. They bizarrely believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. I wish they would stop reading nonsense from weird woo sources and read some facts, such as measles having been a major cause of deafness in my day.

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Imaginary_Medium t1_iwvux88 wrote

You and I are probably fairly close in age. You are surely right about people today not having personal memories of the devastation caused by some of these diseases in the past, though they seem to have a bit of a short term memory problem when it comes to Covid. Maybe they are the ones who didn't have their lives turned upside down by the loss of a family member, or were in denial.

I worry about these anti-vaxxers, there seem to be so many, and measles is indeed not to be trifled with. Do you think our society will ever regain its respect for real science at some point? I don't expect to live to see it, but I hope it happens.

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Standard_Gauge t1_iwvwcxj wrote

> Do you think our society will ever regain its respect for real science at some point? I don't expect to live to see it, but I hope it happens

One manifestation of the "civil war" that folks allude to is a huge divide between critical thinkers and science-educated vs. magical thinking, "I saw it on YouTube so it must be true" types. Unfortunately the science deniers can do far more damage to the critical thinkers than vice versa.

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Imaginary_Medium t1_iwvz0se wrote

And they certainly are doing damage. I personally enjoy the internet, but my god, there is so much garbage out there, and it spreads. I wish knowledge would, but people seem to find it less entertaining.

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JohnnyUtah_QB1 t1_iwwbe26 wrote

A West African born slave named Onesimus taught the practice of inoculation to his ignorant Boston owner in the 1720s when epidemics regularly swept through the colonies killing scores(this form of inoculation was the precursor to vaccines and works on similar principles).

When his owner tried to promote the practice he was met with vitriol, getting a brick thrown through his window and having papers like the New England Courant basically read like Fox News irrationally frothing at the mouth at the whole idea. By the end of the outbreak the 280 inoculated members of Boston suffered 6 deaths(2.2%) whereas 850 of 5900 non-inoculated patients died(14%)

Half a century later General George Washington unilaterally ordered the inoculation of his troops without seeking permission in part because there was still a significant contingent of the Continental Congress against the practice, with some colonies still outlawing it. He wanted to keep the operation secret from the British, but he also didn’t want to deal with clowns in Philadelphia getting dumb about it.

Unfortunately history suggests we are just this stupid as a species. Even hundreds of years ago it was still the same story

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LaLionneEcossaise t1_iwwimwd wrote

A former coworker didn’t want her child to get the polio series because “no one gets polio!” I tried explaining that the reason so few people get polio is because the vaccine prevents it, but she was certain her “facts” were correct.

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JohnnyUtah_QB1 t1_iwx9u0d wrote

It’s so bizarre. Humans have been successfully using “injections” to protect against disease for at least a thousand years,(back then it was live virus and human pus, today it’s highly refined and engineered nanomachines)

Like these people exist in a different reality, just total ignorance of all their own ancestors learned, destined to repeat the same obvious mistakes.

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jschubart t1_iww1p4u wrote

No. People fought against the small pox vaccine too.

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financequestionsacct t1_iww3gdx wrote

It's unnatural. Nature intended for children to get disfiguring cow pox and that's why I expose my children to infected cattle instead of that toxic poison, like God intended. /s

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p001b0y t1_iwvtvko wrote

This is what makes me angriest, I think. Some day, these parents are going to have to explain to their kid what caused their deafness or other lasting issue, that it was preventable or avoidable, and that they decided to risk their kids' health any way. Because some guy on Facebook or Twitter was getting paid to spread this misinformation.

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financequestionsacct t1_iww3m11 wrote

I hate to say it, but as a person who was medically neglected in childhood, a lot of them won't explain and also don't care.

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Heathen_Mushroom t1_iwvgi9r wrote

Which is why kids over 12 months need to be vaccinated and parents who refuse to have their kids vaxxed should be culpable.

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SeesHerFacesUnfurl t1_iwvhkp2 wrote

And according to the article, only one of the sick kids was under the age of 4 years old. The other 20 are unvaccinated kids between 4-6 years old.

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Surly_Cynic OP t1_iwvjeem wrote

It's actually that none were older than 4 except the one six-year-old.

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