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[deleted] t1_j28exqn wrote

Reply to comment by keznaa in Australia will not require travellers from China to provide negative Covid test by Luka77GOATic

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keznaa t1_j28fkda wrote

I'm unsure what you mean, this is clearly another huge wave of covid cases over in China because of the new variant. I did hear that alot of people were given fake vaccines before which is why it's so bad now. I'm unsure how it didn't count as it getting bad again when they had their original outbreak in 2020 under control farly quickly compared to other countries. It's chaos ATM with so many new cases and deaths per day there now.

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randomnighmare t1_j29v8u8 wrote

Their vaccines (both Sinnophram and that other company) had, at best 50% effectiveness against the original strain of of COVID but not against the newer variants. But yes, they had a series of scandals of fake vaccines being given out in China and aboard because they were scammers. Yes, China had, in the past, major vaccines scandals that ended children up in hospital. Yes China and their legions of Wumaos (internet trolls. Some paid some were just hyper nationalists) went online with VPNs (which is illegal for the average person in China to have/use) spreading disinformation on Western vaccines, along with the Russian trolls (one of the biggest lies being, "Western vaccines won't work for Asian people" etc...) But the Chinese government had mandatory vaccinations, but with the weaker Chinese vaccines. Now that they just drop all Zero COVID policy it is spreading but it's not wrong for Western countries be cautious about this situation.

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[deleted] t1_j28fy4j wrote

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keznaa t1_j28kf9k wrote

>No, it's not another huge wave for them. It's the first big wave for China because they isolated this whole time.

So it's another wave then. I haven't heard anyone including experts say this isn't a wave for China.

China COVID wave could kill one million people, models predict

Experts worry China's COVID-19 wave could spur new variant

>Omicron is nothing new at this point which is why Australia is not requiring testing of incoming travelers.

Omicron hasn't been the dominant strain for a few months now. the new strains are much much much more contagious and can hide from antibodies.

Currently, the dominant variant nationwide is BQ.1.1. "The original omicron variant is gone now," says Dr. Rupp. "Currently subvariants of omicron are circulating, including BQ.1.1, BQ.1, BA.5, BF.7 and XBB.)

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schu4KSU t1_j28kufj wrote

Those are subvariants. Omicron is still the dominant strain. The article explains this is why Australia is not changing policy like the US and Italy.

China is learning you can't hide from Omicron.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202212/1282775.shtml

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keznaa t1_j28lcn4 wrote

Responding to your edit I honestly don't trust china to self report on this lol sorry but that source isn't reliable imo because they keep lying about their case I'm general.

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keznaa t1_j28l2rp wrote

Omicron itself is a sub variant, they are all sub variant. Omicron as it was isn't the dominate strain at all. The new strains are more contagious and more deadly which is why omicron wasnt as serious. It was more contagious than Delta but not as deadly. But the new stain is more contagious and more deadly than omicron.

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schu4KSU t1_j28lahv wrote

>The new strains are more contagious and more deadly which is why omicron wasnt as serious.

This is not what's going on at all. China is experiencing widespread COVID for the first time right now.

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keznaa t1_j28lizl wrote

>This is not what's going on at all. China is experiencing widespread COVID for the first time right now.

Did you forget the start of the pandemic? The white lung x-rays were happening back then as well.

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[deleted] t1_j28lnre wrote

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keznaa t1_j28mrgt wrote

>You are scaremongering and there are no reputable source stating that there are new, more dangerous variants of COVID spreading in China currently. It's Omicron, which exposure and western vaccinations protect from serious cases.

There are several new variants right now.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-what-we-know-about-new-omicron-variant-bf-7 >But what is this new variant, and should we be worried? Although reports from China(opens in new tab) about this variant's characteristics are concerning, it doesn't appear to be growing too much elsewhere in the world. Here's what we know. >BF.7, short for BA.5.2.1.7, is a sub-lineage of the omicron variant BA.5.

>Reports from China indicate BF.7 has the strongest infection ability(opens in new tab) out of the omicron subvariants in the country, being quicker to transmit than other variants, having a shorter incubation period, and with greater capacity to infect people who have had a previous COVID infection, or been vaccinated, or both.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1280588.shtml

Since this article used that website as well I will assume it's probably legit. These new variants are subvariants of Omicron but they have their own names because they aren't like the original omicron variant anymore. They mutated and are more contagious and more deadly because it can hide from vaccine antibodies. This article is a little older so I'm unsure how much it's changed since. You seem to be saying that they have the original omicron before the new mutations which isn't true.

>Omicron BF.7 has become the main strain in Beijing's latest COVID-19 flare-up, with the virus possessing the strongest infection ability across the family of Omicron sub-variants in China and posing the risk of hidden spread, causing difficulty on virus prevention and control, according to Beijing Daily on Monday, citing a Chinese medical expert.

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schu4KSU t1_j28n3mw wrote

omicron = variant

BA.x = subvariant

That's the convention.

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keznaa t1_j28o4jp wrote

.....I've been saying it's a subvariants this whole time. You seem to not understand that the new subvariants aren't like the original omicron. omicron was the most contagious when it became the dominant strain but was less deadly than the other variants.the new subvariant that mutated from the original Omicron,however, are much more contagious than the original omicron and far deadlier than the original omicron. You suggesting that the vaccine will protect people the same way it had before is just not true. Before there was a high chance of someone not getting covid at all if they were vaccinated. Now it's just that it may keep people out of the hospital and ICU if they are vaccinated with a boosters. Most people didn't get a booster at all let alone the new boosters that just came out. But these variants have shown that they can hide from the antibodies as well. Which is why Pfizer and the like were scrambling for a better vaccine overall.

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Abject_Ad_14 t1_j28oysz wrote

Did we just skip the whole Wuhan situation in 2020. You know what she means, why even argue. I agree with the rest of the paragraph besides the first sentence.

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OfficiallyRelevant t1_j28xd44 wrote

Lol, you must work for the CCP. China fucking started the pandemic. This is not their "first big wave." Stop spreading misinformation.

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schu4KSU t1_j297u5f wrote

You haven't paid attention to what has been China's COVID experience. But you do use ad hominem, of course. Weak.

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