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Most-Hawk-4175 t1_j6cbgtt wrote

Whenever you see far right activities, protests and public stunts like this then Russia always seems to be involved.

These book burnings are conveniently being done in countries that have tensions with Turkey and could result in NATO instability.

Far right interests and Russian interests go hand in hand. They both want Western democracies and governments to fail.

The Western world and the Muslim world should unite against this threat to peace.

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TailRudder t1_j6cckfl wrote

Uh.... The only reason why this kind of thing becomes an issue is because Muslim governments ARE far right governments. Russia does this to remind them that.

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Most-Hawk-4175 t1_j6cdlzm wrote

These publicity stunts like the book burnings are to create rifts in the West and Muslim countries allied with the West like Turkey. Russia does this to poison and diminish the West and Muslim relations.

Muslim countries are religious and have their own unique internal politics very different from the West and far right western groups.

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ZealousMajestic t1_j6cxj9c wrote

Could you explain why you think they're "very different" from far-right western groups?

Honest question.

It seems like they have very similar stances on lots of key issues.

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Takeonlyone t1_j6dn1u1 wrote

The Muslim world is not run by government. It’s run by their religion or religious leaders. The west is run for politicians. However if DeSantis gets his way it will be run by Christian Clerics.

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GibbysUSSA t1_j6f20li wrote

The west is run by politicians, many of whom are working for religious leaders and various religious groups. There is a growing Christian Nationalist movement in the west that has infiltrated our government.

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Most-Hawk-4175 t1_j6d4s8w wrote

Far right political movements and groups in the West have wealth, power and influence and push fervent populism, white supremacy and nationalism that believe Western Democracies are tyrannical and oppressive to their way of life because of various policies like pro immigration, gay marriage, government welfare, voting rights. They are also fervently against Muslim immigration especially in Europe.

The Muslim world has no far right wing populism brewing within society. In fact, it's the complete opposite. The Arab spring was uprisings and revolutions from the poor and workers demanding elections and human rights. And recent protests in Iran were demanding women's rights among other things.

And Muslim governments are diverse and complicated. Some are obviously oppressive that are guided by religious fundamentalisum and are authoritarian like Iran. But others are more like progressive Democracies and others are monarchies with kings and royalty.

Some Muslim countries may share hatred for gay marriage and trans people and have authoritarian governments that far right Western groups aspire to but just because a few Muslim countries happen to support a few issues that far right groups do in the West does not make them comparable at all. They are not in most cases.

Painting with a broad brush that Muslim countries are far right are comparable to the political philosophies and aspirations of Western far right groups is just wrong on every single point.

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TechSquidTV t1_j6d2v71 wrote

You're not getting my vote to team up with religious nations, we have too much religion at home.

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follow-the-rainbow t1_j6cbw4x wrote

You had me until the last sentence, what make you think that Muslim countries are pro democracy by nature?

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Most-Hawk-4175 t1_j6ccsxz wrote

Im saying Western civilization and Muslim countries face a common enemy that's trying to create instability and violence and we shouldn't let it succeed by remaining peaceful united against it.

That doesn't mean some Muslims countries are pro democracy nor does it mean the West has to like some laws in many Muslim countries but we still put our differences aside and remain peaceful and do business and have military alliances.

We shouldn't let these public book burnings and threats of violence stop that.

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MrBallistik t1_j6d769n wrote

Common enemy? So... Democrat Liberals can fight against Christian Nationalism by appealing to a different group of religious fundamentalists?

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Takeonlyone t1_j6dnc7b wrote

Democratic Liberals are not the gun nuts crying don’t tread on me, or screaming for their freedom when non is taken. It’s all on the Right Wing Nuts and their cult.

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WolfOfBelial t1_j6cp29d wrote

Actually far right is divided in the pro-ukrainian and pro-russian camp. Mainly because Russian troll presence is overwhelming on far right forums.

It's well known Russia has been releasing left wing and right wing propaganda to polarize and de-stabilize the world. The extremists are just useful idiots or greedy opportunists. There are no mutual interests with Russia. Only servitude. A lot of people obviously don't realize this.

Tho, we can't really counter Russian propaganda in extremist circles because they have been isolated from the community and antagonized to the point where they are lost causes. So, I guess we reap what we sow.

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Just-Flamingo-410 t1_j6elpkl wrote

Please note there wasn't any book burning (in last weeks). Erdogan said there was and he's been furious about book burnings. In reality someone ripped some pages from the quran. Sligh difference. Erdogan makes it worse than it is and stirs up shit while there is only a little poo.

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Em42 t1_j6cfbwz wrote

I was just thinking maybe we need to rethink Incirlik, According to wikipedia (some of the info there is 20 years old...), Incirlik Air Base has one 3,048 m (10,000 ft)-long runway, located among about 57 hardened aircraft shelters. Tactical nuclear weapons are stored at the base. Among them are "up to" 50 B61 nuclear bombs. I want to say it's really a joint NATO base but I'm not sure where I read that now. it's always been mostly US tech, equipment and troops though, mostly because to the US has more tech, equipment and troops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. A lot of the info about the base is out of date, which makes me quite concerned that there are more nukes or more risk weaponry, or fewer troop than previously and it does make me an bit concerned. there than they're telling us, or that damn more concerned than previously that the troops they have stationed there are not enough to guard those bombs.

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TitaniumGoldAlloyMan t1_j6cvxd1 wrote

The west is creating instability and destruction in the Middle East for centuries. Who is going to stop them bad apples?

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