Unlimited gun ownership with basically no restrictions is a great idea.

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We have restrictions, we don't have enforcement.

Last i read on this, he jacked a car. Glad they got him, and for senseless killing of officer.

This, but unironically

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Gun ownership and gun carrying should be mandatory at all times

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The biggest killer of cops so far has been COVID, so I'm more inclined to believe that it's increased reporting.

Edit: COVID was the leading cause of death among active-duty law enforcement in 2021 : NPR

It's just the reporting, the rate of police being killed by suspects has actually remained fairly consistent over the past decade.

Police officers have a safer job than many other professions, they are not even close to the on-the-job mortality rates of Electrical Linemen, Logging workers, Oil/Gas workers, and etc.

Far and away, over the past two years COVID is the number 1 killer of cops by a very large margin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3AUS_law_enforcement_deaths_in_the_line_of_duty_1791-2016.png

Edit: changed "the rate of police being killed by suspects has actually decreased over the past few years" to reflect 2021 and a slight increase.

lol, in states where 'constitutional carry' is in place, there is already a noticeably higher rate of gun violence.

TN and TX are great cases of this. More guns = more gun violence. Period.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/02/23/crime-in-america-study-reveals-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-its-not-where-you-think/?sh=3c77a3207710

Notice all of the republican-controlled cities and yet the brain dead drones will still screech about "but muh Chicago", which is not even in the top 10 most dangerous cities.

Delivering pizza is more dangerous.

Counterpoint - Chicago

Top 10 most dangerous states:

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-states-in-the-us#:~:text=However%2C%20Alaska%20is%20the%20most,per%201%2C000%20people%20in%202022.

IL isn't even in the top 10. Chicago's per capita incidence is far lower than many other cities. It's not even in the top 10 most dangerous cities:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/02/23/crime-in-america-study-reveals-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-its-not-where-you-think/?sh=3c77a3207710

St. Louis, Missouri

Jackson, Mississippi

Detroit, Michigan

New Orleans, Louisiana

Baltimore, Maryland

Memphis, Tennessee

Cleveland, Ohio

Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Kansas City, Missouri

Shreveport, Louisiana

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Covid was and likely still is the top killer of cops. After that it's heart attacks and traffic accidents.

That’s not what the data shows.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/13/us/police-officers-line-of-duty-deaths/index.html

Restrictions without enforcement mechanisms in place, or leaders who are willing to implement them, are functionally non-existent.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3AUS_law_enforcement_deaths_in_the_line_of_duty_1791-2016.png

2013: 27 gunfire deaths 2014: 50 gunfire deaths 2015: 42 gunfire deaths 2016: 64 gunfire deaths 2017: 44 gunfire deaths 2018: 51 gunfire deaths 2019: 49 gunfire deaths 2020: 45 gunfire deaths 2021: 55 gunfire deaths

At any rate, it should be noted even the highest value in the past 10 years (64 in 2016) represents a miniscule % of police officers (0.014% of the 468,000 police officers employed in 2016)

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That’s a far cry from the “consistently declining for years” or whatever you had before the edit.

Shootings is second and vehicles are third:

> Firearms were the second-largest cause of death with 61 officers killed feloniously by firearms in 2021, a 36% increase from the previous year. Nineteen of those officers were killed in "ambush attacks," which the report says is also a significant increase.

> 2021 also saw a dramatic increase in traffic-related fatalities with 58 officers killed as a result of incidents like vehicle collisions and motorcycle crashes — a 38% increase compared to the previous year.

> "Struck-by" fatalities — many of which occurred while officers were investigating vehicle crashes or helping motorists on the side of the road — increased by 93% during that period.

> Other officer deaths were attributed to beatings, Sept. 11-related illness and stabbings.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072411820/law-enforcement-deaths-2021-covid

oh my bad sorry

All good, Covid was the biggest by far but I’m guessing that’s the case for most jobs since the pandemic started

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Which is a good thing that they are paid poorly and rely on tips! Tip big if you live in a dangerous neighborhood!

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Dude legit the only reason you're making this comment is because you're not looking at the image in the link.

We've been on a declining trend since the 1990's.

It should also be noted that many of the crashes in which the officers die are instigated by the police themselves. There have been many accounts of police dying while wrecking en route to a call because they're driving too fast. There's a reason this is a top killer of cops, it's because that's the one part of the 80's-90's action cop image which is actually dangerous to themselves instead of just others.

Right, this same thing happens in Britain all the time.

Maybe if the argument was made 7 years ago it would be worth considering, but the image is way out of date. We’ve had 3 presidents since the most recent data point on that chart.

You should not be allowed to leave your domicile without a loaded gun

Yeah and gun violence statistics take about a decade to compile. Unless you think there was some large increase in gun violence in that uncovered period, then it still stands to reason that we're on the lowest end of a declining trend.

I guess this is better than cops killing people on the way to a call like the other big police story today. Sad that two people had to die and people only care about the one that is paid to possibly die.

That’s blatantly untrue, the article I linked to was published Jan 13, 2022 and referenced deaths in 2021.

Dude this is one of the sources for the article you posted:

Murders rose sharply in 2020 but data is lacking across much of the country

2020, and we still lack complete data on that year. Here:

> The FBI has also recently changed its reporting system, which may negatively impact the amount of data the agency is able release going forward. The 2021 UCR report will be based on a collection system known as “NIBRS”, which lets agencies submit detailed information for each crime, including information on victims and relationships between offenders and victims.

>However, it’s more difficult for agencies to collect and report data with this level of detail, which will likely impact the number of agencies who participate – less than 10,000 agencies reported NIBRs data in 2020.

So, like I said, these figures take about a decade to compile.

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Don't cut yourself on that edge.

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And yet the numbers are up despite the more work required to compile data. And that also ignores the 2021-2020 years prior to the new system being implemented in 2021.

Maybe those relatively high numbers could have a little something to do with the fact that the country was on lockdown for two years prior? Just a thought.

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It’s not just relatively high, it’s high in absolute terms (number of deaths_. Besides, it’s not like the pandemic killed so many people that the denominator’ (population) has substantially changed. Population growth was still positive, albeit at a much slower rate.

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Any numbers on how many pizza delivery drivers were murdered last year?

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I can tell you delivery drivers were ranked 6th for most dangerous, law enforcement was 18th.

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Ranked where? What are the numbers?

The Bureau of Labor is the source

The words "pizza" do not appear anywhere on this page.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.nr0.htm

Cute. The word driver/sales worker is though. If you follow the links as well, police isnt even the top 9.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t04.htm

*even further broken down

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm

So when you said pizza delivery was more dangerous than being a cop, that was based on what exactly?

Since math is hard and boring I found a good explanation

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/t0hghk/isitbullshit_pizza_delivery_drivers_are_more/hyaogsn/

*BoLS classifies pizza delivery people as delivery/sales people.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes533031.htm

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Point being?

That the fear mongering and copaganda perpetuated by the media is unfounded

you are more likely to get killed delivering a pizza or being a spouse of a cop than being a cop.

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>Police officers have a safer job than many other professions, they are not even close to the on-the-job mortality rates of Electrical Linemen, Logging workers, Oil/Gas workers, and etc.

But I would guess that in the list of professions in which getting murdered on the job just because of the job is a serious concern, law enforcement has to be near the top

Sure, and police officers are given broad discretion to kill if they fear for their lives, no matter whether their lives were actually in danger at that momemt.

No one (no sane person, anyway) wants to kill Electrical Linemen for the sole reason that they are Electrical Linemen. That was the point I was trying to make: plenty of people want cops dead because they are cops. Not many other occupations carry that specific risk. Maybe divorce attorneys, etc.

There are other professions where people are murdered for doing their jobs - for example, federal and state inspectors are sometimes murdered for performing their duties, attorneys and judges are often targets, and etc.

The difference is what you sign up for when taking a job - those inspectors, judges, and attorneys don't enjoy qualified immunity like police, they didn't sign up for putting their lives in danger.

I understand your point but intent has no bearing on how objectively dangerous a particular job is when it comes to risk of death.

All things being equal, there are many professions far more deadly than policing.

>All things being equal, there are many professions far more deadly than policing

Agreed on that point

You are more likely to die of heart disease, accident, or homicide by non-cops as a black man than you are by a cop. That doesn't mean the George Floyd incident was blackaganda.

so you just get beat up and harassed by cops then.