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LizardChaser t1_j60s8nn wrote

Reply to comment by staingangz in Afghan malnutrition rates at record high, U.N. food agency says by AttilaTheMuun

This is where I'm at. We were deployed there for 20 years, billions and billions of dollars invested, thousands of lives lost, and absolutely nothing changed. The Afghans made deals with the Taliban, did not put up any resistance, and all but cheered as they returned. Fuck that country. Now contrast that with Ukraine. I wish we had 1/10 of what we gave Afghanistan and could get it back to give Ukraine.

That is an unsalvageable culture.

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soonerfreak t1_j612xa6 wrote

We illegally invaded a country, destroyed a lot of stuff, left, and kept their money. This whole comment reeks of racism, especially the bit about them cheering at their return. Would you call those hordes of people trying to hang on to the last planes out cheering for the Taliban? Also we did not really invest into their country, we invested into the US military industrial complex and PMCs that showed up. The end goal was always to make some people in the US richer, we did not go into Afghanistan to liberate it. We have no problems working with other governments that are just as bad as the Taliban.

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Pabrinex t1_j62qjl4 wrote

>We illegally invaded a country

What are you on about? How was the invasion illegal?

NATO aided the beleaguered internationally recognised government (pushed out of all but the North) supported by nearly the entire world, including enthusiastic support from Iran.

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Neon_Casino t1_j61aifg wrote

Regardless if I agree or disagree with your statement, do you think that something should be done about the lack of food and human rights issue in Afghanistan? If so, what do you think should be done?

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LizardChaser t1_j642v9g wrote

Hard no. The Taliban wanted to run that country and the population didn't care enough to stop them. This is not a situation where the population was defenseless. You're hard pressed to find any population better equipped to resist an oppressor. As far as I'm concerned, Afghanistan can figure out its problems on its own.

You didn't ask, but I feel exactly the same way about Pakistan. They spent 20 years working to destabilize Afghanistan, and if a Taliban run Afghanistan spreads violence and terrorism in Pakistan, then that's exactly what Pakistan wanted. I can't understand why we don't lump those backstabbers in with Iran.

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erotic_jesus t1_j61kvla wrote

Doesn’t matter if you agree or not. Facts are facts.

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soonerfreak t1_j61iovh wrote

Provide aid and offer deals the Taliban will actually want to agree to and show proof of following through on. Just demanding they change but not making the top suffer for not changing isn't going to fix anything.

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LizardChaser t1_j641r6h wrote

>We illegally invaded a country

Citation missing.

>kept their money

Are you, with a straight face, arguing that the U.S. obtained more money from fucking Afghanistan than it put in? Citation super fucking missing.

>especially the bit about them cheering at their return

The quote from my post was: "all but cheered as they returned." Break that down for me. Does that mean I said they cheered? Or was it a way to describe the absence of any resistance--despite being well armed and equipped--as being paramount to a welcome.

>The end goal was always to make some people in the US richer

The response to 9/11, the worst attack on the U.S. since Pearl Harbor, was to make "some people in the U.S. richer"? Do you even believe that?

>we did not go into Afghanistan to liberate it

Then why did we stay for 20 years? How does losing $230 billion into Afghanistan over 20 years make any sense if we weren't trying to make them self-sufficient? We cut bait because if they couldn't figure it out in 20 years they were never going to figure it out.

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soonerfreak t1_j64y055 wrote

We didn't lose $230 billion in Afghanistan. We transferred a couple trillion dollars right where they wanted it to go. Also Japan the country attacked Pearl Harbor, the Taliban did not commit 9/11. This country did not give a fuck as over 3000 people a day were dying to Covid-19. So yeah its hard to reconcile our complete over reaction to 9/11 with a 20 year occupation that was about spending money on the military when over a million people died to Covid-19 and this country said who cares.

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