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InternetPeon t1_j6y51qy wrote

See. now this is why we can't have nice things.

You take a potentially wonderful experience that allows your mind to process information from different points of view and potentially lead you to greater insight and distort it into a tool of manipulation by proclaiming an imaginary being is directing things and so you are now a member of the club and the club needs lots of money.

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TaserLord t1_j6yafjd wrote

>His journey to this small town along the Arizona-Utah border is part of a growing global trend of people turning to ayahuasca in search of spiritual enlightenment and an experience they say brings them closer to God than traditional religious services.

Exactly. Religion does not deliver, and so it looks for something that can.

And then, like always, religion eats it.

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drivebydryhumper t1_j72p25e wrote

I thought these churches were mostly constructed to be exempt from the drug laws and that the founders, members and visitors were mostly in it for the drugs, which in turn can give you a spiritual experience, that can be celebrated, and be the foundation for some community. They have to keep up the appearances of being a church without laughing too much. But I could be wrong.

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bdrwr t1_j6ycp9n wrote

"pushing the boundaries of religion" by participating in spiritual psychedelic ceremonies like humans have done since ancient times?

Our modern clean-and-sober ethic is the historical aberration. This is just people trying to cram an intrinsic human behavior into a social construct built against it.

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CaliBigWill t1_j6yb8wo wrote

Religion pushes the boundaries of reality...

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Chard069 t1_j70ldyo wrote

That depends on your goal. Spiritual truth? Good luck. Community gatherings? Pass the wine and lemonade. Excuse for discrimination? Oh, that's traditional. Sales opportunities? None better!

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CaliBigWill t1_j728gx6 wrote

Oh, you misunderstand. I meant it more like Are you for real? Because I smell bullshit.

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Chard069 t1_j73ha8v wrote

Am I real? My replaced joints (knees mostly) demand attention, so I guess at least those bits of me include observable reality. I try not to fake my thoughts, too. YMMV.

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AgencyDelicious1933 t1_j711dcz wrote

Wat... There's cultists using LSD AND MAKING IT LOOK BAD??

  • sorry guys, this is a decades old thing
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Notsurehowthisgoes51 t1_j6ybslx wrote

I'd bet that most religions sprang from consumption of psychedelics. Mushrooms are everywhere and ergot (lsd) is too

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Careless_Relief_1378 t1_j70bpc8 wrote

No LSD was an invented chemical compound. It isn’t anywhere naturally. There are however other psychedelics found in nature.

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dirtmother t1_j7qy4o9 wrote

LSA is found naturally in Morning glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, and it's damn close.

Morning glorys are also pretty common, especially nowadays when the seeds are sold in every department store.

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Chard069 t1_j70l07r wrote

With extended religious freedom, a church dedicated to a 'saintly' junky (like certain jazz musicians) should legally administer heroin as a sacrament, right? For churches of some rockstars, the sacred powder would be cocaine. St Leary's followers should be dosed with LSD. Hey, religious freedom is hot!

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drivebydryhumper t1_j72phgx wrote

Hey, with a nation that (officially) hate drugs and love religion, this seems like a natural path.

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Chard069 t1_j735w6x wrote

There exists at least one USA church with peyote as its sacrament. Look to the future! Psychedelic fungi, herbs, and cacti for all! If one or more deities reside within us, feed them well... or else...

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