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dice_away t1_jbe751n wrote

Considering the source, i do wonder if this is being accurately portrayed or not

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noes16 t1_jbe9fjx wrote

It's not very accurate, it's activism, within a legal exclusion zone outside abortion clinics. They're just making it seem like their "right" to pray somehow supersedes other people's rights.

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HDSpiele t1_jbegdxo wrote

Silently praying alone can not be considered activism. Actism aims to change something be it laws or public opinion, this necessitates to be loud, to be big this is the absolute antithesis of what the woman did. If their was a group praying that would have been activism if the woman was loudly praying that would have been activism. The only reason we even know about this is because the police arrested her if nobody bothered her nobody would haven even known about this "illigal activism" heck people passing on the street wouldn't even considered this to be activism at the time.

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dice_away t1_jbeit4k wrote

Activism doesn't have to be loud at all lmaoooo

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HDSpiele t1_jbekbf8 wrote

It needs to show off an opinion to do that you must draw attention a woman alone standing there because this is what it probably looked like from the outside is the opposite of drawing attention if she brought friends or was loud than that would have been a protest. But what is the point of activism if you are not drawing attention? I would genuanly be curious. How something that doesn't draw attention that doesn't send any kind of message can be considered activism. As praying infront of an abortion clinic doesn't send a clear message. It could send the message that you are praying for the souls of the children like the woman did but you could also be praying that the woman make a speedy recovery you could have a friend in their any you are praying for her or you could just be passing by and gotten a call that a family member is now in a hospital so you pray for them. All of that is just as likly an explanation when you walk bye. If this is to be considered a protest that it should be considered objectivly the worst protest in the history of protests.

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noes16 t1_jbjz0ne wrote

She is the director of "March for Life", and clearly an anti-abortion activist. She is very literally trying to change laws and public opinion.

The zone literally forbids any action and specifically says "verbal means or writings, prayers or advice". People who tape their mouths shut are not activists, according to your definition. You do not have to be loud to be an activist!

Why is the person in question not praying outside the zone? Why is the person not praying in a church?! If they prayed anywhere else it would not be a problem. It's a conscious decision, and an action against the clinic, its employees, and users.

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HDSpiele t1_jbkadsd wrote

Taking your mouth shut draw attention. Holding up a blank piece of paper draws attention. If you are standing on a streat with you eyes closed does that draw attention? Honest question if you saw a person on the street with they eyes closed would you even notice? would the cops have known she was praying if they didn't ask? Again if you are protesting you whant to draw attention you whant to be metaphorically loud wich she wasn't. If I stand in a corner in a concentration camp eyes closed would you think I am protesting? If no that why would anybody think she was protesting. From what I know she wasn't even there an unusual amount of time if you stand somewhere for hours that can be a Form of protest. But again she wasn't.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbeav0w wrote

TL;DR bullshit. An abortion protestor was protesting where it isn't allowed and got arrested.

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HDSpiele t1_jbefsmi wrote

Is standing somewhere, praying, alone, not even making a sound a protest? Would be praying infront of a memorial than also be a protest?

Protests are done to make headlines they are big actions to change public opinion or change laws. In that sense a woman silently praying alone can hardly be considered a protest. As her being silent and her being alone are the opposite of a protest if the police didn't arrest her nothing literaly nothing would have happened.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbegn9j wrote

Her presence was a protest. It was not allowed. She knew this. She can face the consequences of her actions, just like everyone else.

The United Kingdom does not have the same free speech laws as the United States. The government is tired of people harassing women simply for seeking healthcare. They can protest in the street, they can protest in their churches, they can protest in their homes. They can protest right outside the exclusion zone. But if they break the law, they will face the consequences.

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HDSpiele t1_jbeiaqw wrote

I am not from the US I am from austria you presence alone can not be a protest. protests by their definition need to try and accomplish something her being in a place literaly doing nothing as silently praying in a manner where most people would just consider you standing there can be considered doing nothing.

Again the actions taken by the people protesting make a protest a protest you need to voice an opinion to be a protester a woman standing silently maybe folding her hands is not voiceing an opinion. She could have been praying that the woman in their have no complications and get out there as healthy and safe for all we know unless you ask her nobody would have known her opinion so this can simply not be considered a Form of protest as this is the antithesis of a protest as she wasn't even drawing attention.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbekbhn wrote

If you stand in a no-protesting zone and tell cops you're there to oppose abortion, you're protesting. That's the point of the zone.

In the words of someone who seems pretty confused right now, "you should be keeping to the law at all times no matter where no matter when."

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HDSpiele t1_jbepvcy wrote

The question was why was she even approached by the police in the first place and no she said she was there to prey for the dead babies that doesn't mean you oppose abortion and again when she was asked if she was part of a protest she said no. You can be a priest preying for and helping people on death rown and still be for the death penalty.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbeq65y wrote

Incorrect. The question is, was she protesting in an area where she wasn't legally allowed to.

The answer is, yes.

End of questions.

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HDSpiele t1_jbesir0 wrote

In her own words she wasn't, she didn't want to protest. she was there to pray not to protest.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbetjsi wrote

In his own words the bank robber in the vault wasn't there to rob a bank. He still got arrested.

You can stand in the street and pray literally anywhere. Nothing stopped this protester from doing it anywhere else. She had to go there specifically to do it as a protest. She did. She was protesting.

Stop eating this bullshit. It will remain bullshit, no matter how many times you say it's corn flakes. And it won't make your breath smell any better.

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Bubbagumpredditor t1_jbegm3q wrote

You're right, it's not a protest, it's simple trespassing and violating a protective order.

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HDSpiele t1_jbehi21 wrote

But what action violated the protective order her being there? People where still allowed to pass bye. Was it her standing there? It can't be because she was praying as her not bothering anybody can not be a crime because again she was silent you can not violent a law by not bothering anybody is not actively requiring you bothering them. I am not even shure if people who passed by or people inside noticed her praying.

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Bubbagumpredditor t1_jbgnyjc wrote

Sure thing Skippy, your jeebis ovverides all earthly authority and you're just being persecuted. /S

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HDSpiele t1_jbgw5oc wrote

I have literaly no idea what you just said I am a native German speaker not a native English speaker.

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StonedOldChiller t1_jbf47mp wrote

It's not a protest, it's her being where she shouldn't be. The fact that she was quiet and praying doesn't come into it. Just like if a stalker was standing outside his ex's house quietly praying at three in the morning.

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HDSpiele t1_jbgw03p wrote

The zone was specifically a protected zone against activism. Where I life you are not allowed to ride your bike on the sidewalk. But you can have your bike on the sidewalk as long as you do not ride it so if you push it is fine same thing you can not be there as an activist but you can still be there.

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BaltimoreBadger23 t1_jbe54b2 wrote

If this is true it would be a travesty of the law, basically criminalizing thought. Given the source, I have my doubts as to the accuracy of the details and angle of this story.

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noes16 t1_jbe94jp wrote

"The law also establishes exclusion zones – public space protection order (PSPO) – within a radius of 150m around the abortion clinics. Mrs. Vaughan-Spruce was notably accused of having violated this order."

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BaltimoreBadger23 t1_jbeb0cy wrote

Note that they didn't provide a link to the text of the law.

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menlindorn t1_jbe4shx wrote

Incorrect headline. It actually makes even less sense.

>A law passed by Birmingham authorities criminalizes those deemed to “engage in any act of approval or disapproval or attempt to approve or disapprove” of abortion, including by “verbal means or writings, prayers or advice."

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ishortit t1_jbe573u wrote

Literally wrongthink

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menlindorn t1_jbe5g9i wrote

It's not Wrongthink, sonny, and it never was. Unless we say it is. Or was. You'd best keep your eyes on your work.

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