Submitted by Souperplex t3_11arnre in nyc
n3vd0g t1_j9tzvnb wrote
Reply to comment by numba1cyberwarrior in Jewish communities brace as white supremacists plan Feb. 25 ‘Day of Hate’ by Souperplex
Yeah, pretty much every country has. Regardless, you’re running defense for Nazis by “both sides-ing” this argument, even if that’s not your intention because the core tenet of Nazism is antisemitism. That was not the core tenet of the USSR and it’s extremely important that we get our facts straight when discussing this topic because no one’s hands are clean and the only way we’ll stop the spread ia if we examine everyone equally.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9u0vvl wrote
Ideologically I agree with you that Nazism is not equivalent in evil to the USSR. Im saying that in person especially in NYC left wing anti semitism is a massive issue.
Before I left NYC I thought people being openly hating of Jews through old stereotypes or Nazi beliefs was something in the past or something you saw on the internet. I thought that because while in NYC me and most of my friends had most hate directed at us by people who hate Israel who are very often left wingers.
n3vd0g t1_j9u7irj wrote
Are you equating anti-zionism with antisemitism?
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9uea1l wrote
I've litterly had this happen more then a dozen times to me. When people find out I'm Jewish I've litterly had people say "Why are the Jews killing people? Do you support this?" or some shit like "Why are the Jews and Israel controlling our government and media"
You dont have to support everything that Israel does but the main enemies of Israel today dont like Jews.
n3vd0g t1_j9ukkyi wrote
Your point is missing much needed nuance. Israel today is no doubt an apartheid state and is moving further to the right. It's only going to get worse. And yes, some of its enemies just hate jewish people in general. However, imo, plenty more simply hate the actions taken by the Israeli government and hate the fact that our country financially supports all of it. Only dumbasses believe there is some sort of ethnic cabal of Jewish people running the media. However, there is also a substantially large lobby group named AIPAC that pays our politicians and influences media groups to use soft language when discussing Israel state crimes. Obviously, this subject is complicated enough that AIPAC can use antisemitism as a shield when it's subject to complaints about its treatment of second class citizens in Israel. But anyone who is using blanket statements like "Why are the Jews controlling our government and media" is obviously an antisemitic racist and they're not worth being around. Last thing, even when I've been plenty sensitive to the subject while discussing my issues on Israel with Israeli citizens, every single one of them has blown up in my face about it. I'm sure plenty of them have labeled me antisemitic as a result, but that's a ridiculous notion. If any left-winger is hating you for simply being Jewish, or hell, even Israeli, they're not a leftist imo and they should be told as such.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9ul9qj wrote
>Last thing, even when I've been plenty sensitive to the subject while discussing my issues on Israel with Israeli citizens, every single one of them has blown up in my face about it.
People get mad when you tell them their nation doesn't have the right to exist. More so when that nation not existing means most of their family members will be exterminated or ethnically clensed.
>If any left-winger is hating you for simply being Jewish, or hell, even Israeli, they're not a leftist imo and they should be told as such.
Weird my entire family spent more then a century being oppressed by leftists.
n3vd0g t1_j9umyy5 wrote
> People get mad when you tell them their nation doesn't have the right to exist. More so when that nation not existing means most of their family members will be exterminated or ethnically clensed.
I've literally never said that.
> Weird my entire family spent more then a century being oppressed by leftists.
Well, I guess that means it's Israel's turn to oppress others then! :)
Regardless, there's clearly no discussion to be had here with you and you would rather discuss how bad leftism is in a thread about right wing fascists planning a protest against Jewish people. Gee, I wonder why that may be...
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9upaxj wrote
>I've literally never said that.
You said anti zionism. Zionism is the idea that Jews should have a Jewish state. It doesn't say you need discrimination or anything else. The vast vast majority of Jews consider anti zionists their enemy as anti zionists deny their right to self determination and would rather see half the Jews in the world placed in a dangerous situation.
>Regardless, there's clearly no discussion to be had here with you and you would rather discuss how bad leftism is in a thread about right wing fascists planning a protest against Jewish people
Its almost like that wasn't the only topic being discussed in this thread
>Well, I guess that means it's Israel's turn to oppress others then! :)
Where did you get that from?
solarnova64 t1_j9uavs3 wrote
That’s what it’s sounding like.
koreamax t1_j9usinb wrote
Yes. It's a thin line that a lot of people cross
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