Submitted by perspicatic t3_11auh9f in nyc
Red__dead t1_j9v0px1 wrote
Pathetic. In London and other progressive, forward thinking cities, congestion pricing has been a thing for decades now.
This summer London is implementing a ULEZ congestion charge for the most polluting vehicles for the entire Greater London area, more than 600 square miles.
New York cannot even get it together for a fucking tiny area of Manhattan - no wonder this city is considered so non-functional and backwards. Cars being put before making this city a pleasant, healthy place to live for people, as usual.
ldn6 t1_j9vcdmq wrote
If it’s any consolation, the ULEZ expansion has been a political fiasco. Multiple boroughs have said that they will refuse to cooperate and there’s a ton of blowback. It’s the right thing to do but even places like London struggle to get support for policies.
Red__dead t1_j9y6rxy wrote
The expansion has, due to it becoming yet another social media influence battle in the great culture war. Not helped by idiots like Jordan Peterson stoking boomer fears.
But the first congestion charge, the LEZ, the first two ULEZ zones? They went through. And this expansion will too, and it won't take years like in NY.
Grass8989 t1_j9vhuqf wrote
In London, if you live in the congestion zone you don’t have to pay. (Or pay very little) There is no such proposal here.
Red__dead t1_j9y6t64 wrote
Not true for ULEZ.
akmalhot t1_j9v7n2b wrote
In ALL of those congestion zones, you get a variance if you live in the zone or immediately adjacent to it
But nywrs are too fucking selfish...hey to go where I pay to live and pay taxes I gotta pay a fee. Lol
TeamMisha t1_j9x1g3k wrote
I can see the appeal of not adding an exemption for residents. I mean, I have to pay a fee to go home too, on the subway. There's no exemption for traveling on the subway just because you live somewhere specific, is there? Makes sense in some ways to apply that logic to this too
akmalhot t1_j9x2dsp wrote
Uh, now imagine you drive to go get something and driving home costs you money
People who live in the zone are paying a premium to live there, congestion is brought in by people who don't live there.
EVERY single other congestion zone in the world gives variance to residents if the zone and.people.immediately adjacent because it's made.foe a purpose, not a money grab
Y'all are just selfish and haters and think, well as long as it doesn't affect me fick em.. not actually thinking about the point of it
You're riding a system infrastructure ... I pay taxes towards roads already. Also pay to use specialty infrastructe like bridges and tunnels ....
p4177y t1_ja02txv wrote
> EVERY single other congestion zone in the world gives variance to residents if the zone and.people.immediately adjacent because it's made.foe a purpose, not a money grab
Not to mention other variances or discounts to things like, say motorcycles. But I guess according to MTA logic, a motorcycle that takes up 1/6th the space of a car generates the same congestion, so it should therefore pay the same 10-20 dollars as a large car or SUV.
Seems like a total crock of shit, of you ask me...
TeamMisha t1_j9z1m2z wrote
What's selfish is the amount of money and land devoted to car infrastructure that is the least efficient and most polluting mode of transportation on earth lol. It's questionable if what is paid even comes close to the "real cost". 247 people were killed in traffic crashes last year, has that cost been reflected in the tolls and taxes? I'm willing to bet no.
> well as long as it doesn't affect me fick em
That's funny cause that seems to be the attitude of many car drivers in this city, when we propose anything that might inconvenience them.
> congestion is brought in by people who don't live there
No, congestion is caused by too many cars on the road regardless who is driving. Just cause I live somewhere and drive doesn't mean I'm magically not part of the problem.
> People who live in the zone
The zone also literally has the most subway transit in the entire country, am I supposed to feel bad wealthy residents want the subway and a car but feel inconvenienced driving? I would love to live where they live but wow shocker I can't afford it. Let's not be so greedy here, or overestimate the imagined suffering of people able to not only live in some of the most desirable areas in the city but also afford a car. I don't even live in Manhattan and couldn't afford car payments or insurance even if I wanted, sorry but I'm not exactly gonna weep for this "plight"
akmalhot t1_ja11324 wrote
Because YOI never leave my city, all convenient modes of getting somewhere that is not on a train line should be destroyed
Stop mentioning other congestion zones when the plan completely deviates from them
Why shouldn't someone who is paying more for the real estate this more in real estate tax get a benefit when jagofds drive into their home area and creat congestion for them ?
Why should I pay the same as a jagofds who lives on NJ not paying property tax here pays to go in? I have to pay to go home? They have to pay to enjoy amenities?
Red__dead t1_j9y6u6n wrote
Not true for ULEZ.
akmalhot t1_j9y9rzr wrote
That's ab emission pricing which you don't pay to f your car is compliant. Which isn't.unreasomable
Virtually all cars sold after 2006 are compliant, all electric and hybrids are compliant as well.
Okay let's add that, so what. Local residents still get exemptions on the congestion, if they drive an excess polluting vehicle they can pay the fine
movingtobay2019 t1_j9vwsrz wrote
Not the way NYC is trying to implement it. At least be fucking honest.
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