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LikesBallsDeep t1_jboumtx wrote

Reply to comment by Grass8989 in Cost of 2nd Avenue Subway extension to East Harlem balloons to $7.7B by Grass8989

Because something is deeply rotten to the core in our process for building infrastructure to the point that it is just not affordable.

It doesn't have to be this way. Literally no other world class city in the world pays even a fraction of our costs.

The solution isn't to just somehow find 7.7 billion dollars for this, it's to figure out why the fuck it costs more than the 1 billion it would cost in London/Paris/Rome/Madrid/Tokyo/Singapore/Hong Kong/Beijing/Seoul/Osaka etc.

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tiregroove t1_jbp01rh wrote

>The solution isn't to just somehow find 7.7 billion dollars for this, it's to figure out why the fuck it costs more than the 1 billion it would cost in London/Paris/Rome/Madrid/Tokyo/Singapore/Hong Kong/Beijing/Seoul/Osaka etc.

Because hiring consultants to do that would itself cost $100M.

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LikesBallsDeep t1_jbp166s wrote

If they actually find a solution, worth every penny. Make the contract only pay out if they do and it is shown to work in practice.

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tiregroove t1_jbpnjq5 wrote

>Make the contract only pay out if they do and it is shown to work in practice.

That's not how consulting works though. What tangible metric would you use for 'works in practice?' Consulting isn't some low-skill endeavor you can have a bunch of interns doing. Plus the longer you wait on a project the more the price rises. Also 'get rid of the corruption' is a fun easy solution but almost impossible to implement in the scope of any NY construction project.

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LikesBallsDeep t1_jbpokgg wrote

I have actually worked in consulting. I don't see how any of your points prevent what I'm suggesting from being possible.

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tiregroove t1_jbpt8d8 wrote

ok so have you or any of the consultants you've worked with EVER taken a fee contingent upon results? And if so, how long did you wait to get paid? Months? Years??

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LikesBallsDeep t1_jbq5kkh wrote

You can pay part up front and the rest based on results.

....and yes? Lots of fixed price projects don't pay until something is delivered in production. Not everything is time and materials.

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