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b1argg t1_jbouvq3 wrote

Reply to comment by notqualitystreet in Cost of 2nd Avenue Subway extension to East Harlem balloons to $7.7B by Grass8989

Interest rates are way up. The MTA needs to fund construction with bonds, which are now much more expensive.

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OnceOnThisIsland t1_jbozrh3 wrote

Not to mention inflation is causing issues with infrastructure costs across the country.

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b1argg t1_jbp0tfg wrote

> Not to mention inflation is causing issues with infrastructure costs across the country.

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eldersveld t1_jbprbya wrote

Taco Bell brought back the Bacon Club Chalupa and it's over $6 for just one of them lol

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sumgye t1_jbqodk2 wrote

The subway situation is easily solvable. We just need to start putting the subway under streets again instead of miles underground. Yes we will need to dig up an avenue, but it will take less than a year of closures and it's not like there are a lack of streets for cars to use as alternatives.

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djdjddhdhdh t1_jbqzvus wrote

It’s not the closures as much as all the other shit that’s underground

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woodcider t1_jbr83u0 wrote

And there are probably more underground utilities than there were in “cut and cover” days. There’d be no cost savings with the addition of massive road closures that are also a financial drain.

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gobeklitepewasamall t1_jbrru4h wrote

The issue is all the unknown unknowns under ground. Nyc is a maze of underground infrastructure, much of it ancient, orphaned tunnels and wire and pipe, and whose builders aren’t even around anymore. There isn’t even a unified map, they’re just starting to collate and digitize what fragments they have, but, this being ny, it’s a slow, tedious process full of red tape, inter factional dick measuring, government incompetence and refusal to talk to anyone in another office of the same department, let alone outside agencies or industry.

I’ve been saying for years that we need a single, central, searchable database for everything under our feet here. Something we can collate into a 3d cad map.

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gonzo5622 t1_jbpjaeb wrote

But these types of shenanigans have happened over decades. Other countries are able to build high functioning rail at fractions of the cost and time. If you’ve been to China or Japan, you’ll know how a country can build things quickly and efficiently.

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b1argg t1_jbq1g5i wrote

I was recently in Singapore and the MRT made me want to cry.

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gonzo5622 t1_jbq7l8x wrote

It’s nuts. And these places need to create the tunnels to begin with. We’re just asking to retrofit them so they’re modern. Kinda insane

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gonzo5622 t1_jbql43f wrote

Yep, and that’s my point, our system is just so stupid. It took 5 years of squabbling to get the WTC rebuilt. That’s a stupid long time to rebuild something that became a symbol for us, and it was all of because of “authority”. These other nations are much more efficient and will move obstacles to enable progress (at least when it comes to infrastructure).

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dspeyer t1_jbp2tij wrote

I don't think that's included in this number. We'll know how much that cost when we learn how long it takes to pay off the bonds.

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